Hurting Economically Does Not Absolve a Trump Vote

[_Some Schmo]

Do you pretty much lump all the GOP into the same category of Trump or even me? Where would you put Mitt Romney on that spectrum?

It is beyond obvious that the majority of what comes out of GOP politicians' mouths is not just "stretching the truth" (what we're generally used to with politicians historically), but make it a habit of telling outright lies. If you are paying attention to what is happening, you know that the GOP has no integrity. If any Democrat acted like Trump, every damned GOP congressman would be flipping out. If you were honest, you'd admit that. If they were honest, they'd admit that. None of them do. Therefore, they lack integrity. It's obvious.

You know I'm not really sure shaming people is very Christlike. Think about parents who use shame and guilt as a method to keep their children adhering to Mormonism. It seems to have created more resentment than spiritual progress. To me this is a shame because for every stick in the gospel there are a million carrots. Rarely when I read near death experience books to people describe Jesus as condemning and judgmental. I'm afraid shame is just an example of our failure as human beings to demonstrate to people why the morally right choice was in their best interests as well. People don't care about how much you know unless they know you care about them. Love really is much more powerful as a motivational force than shame and guilt.

Shame only works if you buy into the underlying premise at some level. The LDS don't have tremendous power to do this, because they aren't shaming from a common-sense point of view. They're trying to shame people based on nonsensical BS, so it backfires; it only causes resentment for most people.

Shaming works when you speak truth, because truth is the most compelling to people with integrity.

[_Res Ipsa]

You know I'm not really sure shaming people is very Christlike. Think about parents who use shame and guilt as a method to keep their children adhering to Mormonism. It seems to have created more resentment than spiritual progress. To me this is a shame because for every stick in the gospel there are a million carrots. Rarely when I read near death experience books to people describe Jesus as condemning and judgmental. I'm afraid shame is just an example of our failure as human beings to demonstrate to people why the morally right choice was in their best interests as well. People don't care about how much you know unless they know you care about them. Love really is much more powerful as a motivational force than shame and guilt.

That's an interesting question, Ajax. It seems to me there was a class of people that Christ actively and aggressively shamed: religious hypocrites. When it comes to your garden variety sinner (prostitutes, etc.), shame didn't seem to be a thing.

[_DoubtingThomas]

Forgiving people for being stupid will not help the current situation.

I agree Hillary Clinton would have been a good president for scientific research and she is very intelligent. However, she is really a criminal and has blood on her hands for being too lazy. She (and most of the US congress) failed to read an important document.
https://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/us-in ... s-in-iraq/

In that sense Hillary Clinton was worst than Donald Trump at the time. Hillary Clinton did commit an unforgivable sin.

[_DoubtingThomas]

She (and most of the US congress) failed to read an important document.
https://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/us-in ... s-in-iraq/

Of course nobody cares about something that is way way bigger than the Russian meddling and every other scandal in US politics. The US government lied to the American people.

[_DoubtingThomas]

"One senator, Bob Graham of Florida, then chairman of the intelligence committee, has said that reading the full, classified 2002 NIE led him to vote against the war resolution."
https://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/us-in ... s-in-iraq/

[_Gunnar]

Remember when overt racism in public became shameful and incidents of overt racism in public plummeted and each generation exposed to this environment is less racist than the past?

Yes, I remember that. Until Trump was elected It seemed to me that there was a slow, decade by decade decline in overt racism, and a trend towards mixed race social groups who really seemed to enjoy each other's company, despite racial and cultural differences. I was greatly encouraged by that. Those trends seem to have reversed somewhat since Trump's election, but the election of our first black president may have helped to trigger that by bringing out of the woodwork diehard bigots, for whom the election of a non white president was the last, intolerable straw.

[_DoubtingThomas]

She (and most of the US congress) failed to read an important document.
https://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/us-in ... s-in-iraq/

Of course nobody cares about something that is way way bigger than the Russian meddling and every other scandal in US politics. The US government lied to the American people.

And nobody cares.

[_ajax18]

Yes, I remember that. Until Trump was elected It seemed to me that there was a slow, decade by decade decline in overt racism

Did you not see the Black Lives Matter movement going on through Obama's term? The Ferguson "Hands up, don't shoot," lie. They practically burnt down part of Ferguson and Baltimore. Did you see BLM interrupt Bernie and move off stage during the primaries? I'm afraid a big part of what turned the 2016 election is that this BLM crowd was less energized voting for white woman instead of a black man.

, and a trend towards mixed race social groups who really seemed to enjoy each other's company, despite racial and cultural differences.

The truth is that I have that right now. A number of my black friends are fellow healthcare workers and are starting to understand that the Republican party is now the working mans party.

I was greatly encouraged by that. Those trends seem to have reversed somewhat since Trump's election, but the election of our first black president may have helped to trigger that by bringing out of the woodwork diehard bigots, for whom the election of a non white president was the last, intolerable straw.

The demographics of the country got worse for the Republican party between 2012 and 2016 not better. Union workers changing sides in the rust belt was a big part of Trump's surprise win. Trump's win was a rejection of socialism, globalism, illegal immigration, and the deep state. It's people who listen to Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin, not people who listen to David Duke.

[_MissTish]

A number of my black friends are fellow healthcare workers and are starting to understand that the Republican party is now the working mans party.

Just stop right there. You don't have any black friends. You cannot actually be 'friends' with people that you think are subhuman and inferior.

[_DarkHelmet]

It's people who listen to Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin, not people who listen to David Duke.

They all share basically the same audience.