On Taking on Holocaust Deniers

[_canpakes]

You and 'T.V.' have something in common.

https://www.good.is/articles/jewish-com ... zi-threats

[_Res Ipsa]

Oops. NPC tool posts another lie.

The first edition of Kautsky's book "Teufel und Verdammte" was published in 1946 in Switzerland (Büchergilde Gutenberg Zürich) and is readily available via interlibrary loan. Kautsky confirmed in the book that he knew about homicidal gassing in Auschwitz from "many reliable sources" (p. 272 - 275). He did not witness homicidal gassings himself, since he was not even detained in Auschwitz-Birkenau, but in Auschwitz-Monowitz, and he did not belong to the Sonderkommando detail dealing with the extermination.

I suppose that one can't expect the denier crowd to be truthful, of course. ; )

Smokey has done this a number of times here. He posts as if Auschwitz was a single camp. It was a large complex of camps. That's why claims like "there were no extermination camps because Anne Frank was at Auschwitz and she wasn't exterminated" are dishonest claptrap. Taking quotes out of context is another holocaust denial staple. Always check their quotes.

[_Maksutov]

Why engage with someone who believes William Pierce was a historian?

[_Smokey]

Holopologists never address or put forth reasonable arguments. It’s always emotional outbursts, insults, and well-poisoning. They never will define what the Holocaust is, either, because they trade in myth and faith based claims, and are not discussing an actual historical event.

Despite what they would have you think, and they certainly don’t want you looking at the source documents, this is an exact quote from Dr. Benedikt Kautsky.



By the way, did you know that the only extermination camps that were found were found by Communists?

[_Chap]

They never will define what the Holocaust is

Really? It's simply a term used by many people (but not me) to refer to the general phenomenon of the murder (by various means) of large numbers of European Jews, principally as a result of the activities of the Germans and their allies, in the later part of WWII. That's not a definition, it's just an unexceptionable description of how the word is used.

What's your problem with that? That the alleged murder never happened? if so, the word used is hardly the main issue, is it?

[_Smokey]

They never will define what the Holocaust is

Really? It's simply a term used by many people (but not me) to refer to the general phenomenon of the murder (by various means) of large numbers of European Jews, principally as a result of the activities of the Germans and their allies, in the later part of WWII. That's not a definition, it's just an unexceptionable description of how the word is used.

I appreciate you attempting to define “The Holocaust” - you are braver and more intellectually honest than the OP.

Don’t you find it a bit odd that the ancient Greek word for “burnt sacrifice” now refers to the deaths of Jews, and only Jews, during WWII?

(Side note: did you know more Catholics died in the concentration camps than Jews? Are they also victims of a Holocaust?)

What's your problem with that? That the alleged murder never happened? if so, the word used is hardly the main issue, is it?

Generally, deaths during wartime - especially from disease, starvation, and exposure are not called “murder”.

I would say that the fact that there was no systematic extermination of Jews in Germany is the main issue. Turning that fiction into a religious term, and then jailing anyone who “denies” it, is something free-thinkers should care about. As a skeptic, this bothers me. Why should people be jailed for questioning a historical event?

[_canpakes]

Despite what they would have you think, and they certainly don’t want you looking at the source documents ...

Why don't you post any sources or documentation, then?

Becasue it shows that Kautsky, by his own admission, may not have physically examined 'gas chambers' at his particular location, but that he knew of their existence from the accounts of others in the camps.

You can't allow that truth to be displayed, so you're left posting a composited image. You can add whatever quote you want to that, but doing so says nothing about its veracity.

First, your ball point pen theory was shredded. Then, this. As if posting an image with an altered quote from one person somehow disproves that Germans did not kill folks in camps. And now you're babbling about the meaning of the word, 'Holocaust', as if that will save the denier case.

It doesn't.

Where are the folks who were 'resettled', NPC?

[_canpakes]

Don't you find it a bit odd that the ancient Greek word for “burnt sacrifice” now refers to the deaths of Jews, and only Jews, during WWII?

(Side note: did you know more Catholics died in the concentration camps than Jews? Are they also victims of a Holocaust?)

Shorter NPC Smokey: "Wahhh!! Christians are so persecuted because they didn't get a special name when millions of them were also killed by Hitler! But, but ... the Nazis never killed people by the millions..!!1!"

o_O

(Side note: Why didn't you pay attention in school when everyone was taught that the millions killed by Nazis were not exclusively European Jews? Don't impose your choice to be willfully ignorant then, and willfully confused now, on others who are aware of the facts that you ignored, NPC tool.)

[_Smokey]

The source, with full quote and page number, has been provided. The book is available online for anyone interested.

https://www.historiography-project.com/ ... /index.php

Here is another quote from an eyewitness that appears in the book:

Stephen F. Pinter, who served as a lawyer for the United States War Department in the occupation forces in Germany and Austria for six years after the war, made the following statement in the widely read Catholic magazine Our Sunday Visitor, June 14, 1959:

“I was in Dachau for 17 months after the war, as a U.S. War Department Attorney, and can state that there was no gas chamber at Dachau. What was shown to visitors and sightseers there and erroneously described as a gas chamber was a crematory. Nor was there a gas chamber in any of the other concentration camps in Germany. We were told that there was a gas chamber at Auschwitz; but since that was in the Russian zone of occupation, we were not permitted to investigate since the Russians would not allow it. From what I was able to determine during six postwar years in Germany and Austria, there were a number of Jews killed, but the figure of a million was certainly never reached. I interviewed thousands of Jews, former inmates of concentration camps in Germany and Austria, and consider myself as well qualified as any man on this subject.”

[_canpakes]

Smokey, that's not an original source. That's edited and from a denier author.

Try harder, NPC.