On Taking on Holocaust Deniers

[_Smokey]

The Truth About Adolf Hitler

[_Lemmie]

imagine my surprise when you did not link to your pornhub channel.

Why are you watching my pornhub channel? : D

[_canpakes]

”The Truth About Adolf Hitler”

... ”He was a murdering dick”.

[_Chap]

I wonder whether anyone on this thread has seen this film?

For those who are interested, it illustrates very well what it can be like if one has to face up to a real, live, well-informed 'Holocaust denier' (David Irving, in this case)- and what has to be done in order to disprove their claims.

Apart from the intrinsic interest of the theme, it is a very effectively presented courtroom drama. The American protagonist Deborah Lipstad finds the British court procedure strange at first ('I'm not bowing to the judge!'), but eventually comes to appreciate the way the system works, including the forensic skills of her bewigged barrister and his team.


Denial

Based on the acclaimed bookDenial: Holocaust History on Trial, DENIAL recounts Deborah E. Lipstadt’s (Academy Award® winner Rachel Weisz) legal battle for historical truth against David Irving (BAFTA nominee Timothy Spall), who accused her of libel when she declared him a Holocaust denier. In the English legal system, in cases of libel, the burden of proof is on the defendant, therefore it was up to Lipstadt and her legal team, led by Richard Rampton (Academy Award® nominee Tom Wilkinson), to prove the essential truth that the Holocaust occurred.

DENIAL is directed by Emmy Award® winner Mick Jackson (“Temple Grandin") and adapted for the screen by BAFTA and Academy Award® nominated writer David Hare (The Reader). Producers are Gary Foster and Russ Krasnoff.

Lipstad was targeted by Irving because of the book she published in 1994:

Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory

That links takes you to an Amazon page that offers you the chance to look at parts of the book.

[_Gunnar]

There is probably very little chance that Smokey would ever watch the movie Denial, much less read the book on which it is based, even it were at no cost to him.

[_Chap]

There is probably very little chance that Smokey would ever watch the movie Denial, much less read the book on which it is based, even it were at no cost to him.

A clip that typifies the courtroom atmosphere and the barrister's examination of Irving (closely based on what actually took place in court) is available in this Youtube clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOm-nerS2eg

Perhaps Smokey might like to have a look?

[_Doctor Steuss]

The all-powerful Jews really need to step up our game for not being able to silence these few voices of dissent.

Our plan of world domination is almost complete... except for web hosting. We're getting around to that though, any minute now.

*cue ominous peel of thunder*

[_Smokey]

The all-powerful Jews really need to step up our game for not being able to silence these few voices of dissent.

Our plan of world domination is almost complete... except for web hosting. We're getting around to that though, any minute now.

*cue ominous peel of thunder*

[_Doctor Steuss]

And we almost prevented the news articles about it too.

We did get her little dog though.

[_Chap]

The law in Germany is quite clear on such matters, and this lady certainly knew what she was doing:

German court rejects 'Nazi grandma' appeal, as it rules Holocaust denial is not covered by free speech

Elderly Nazi-sympathising ladies who break the law in Germany are just as entitled to go to jail as elderly concentration camp guards. I suspect that is what this lady wanted to achieve in this case.

German holocaust denier Ursula Haverbeck has been sentenced to two and a half years in prison after the country's highest court ruled that denying the mass murder of Jews during Nazi Germany is not covered by the right to free speech and "threatens public peace".

Haverbeck, who is known as the 'Nazi-Grandma', was convicted last May for publishing a series of articles in which she insisted that the Holocaust and murder of Jews at Auschwitz concentration camp in German occupied Poland are not "historically proven".

In Germany, denying the Holocaust constitutes a crime of incitement to hatred and carries a prison sentence of up to five years.

The 89-year old went to Germany's constitutional court to appeal her sentence, claiming that her statements fall under the country's right to free speech, which is protected by law.

But in their ruling, the high court judges found that the right to free speech does not protect the denial of the Holocaust.

"The dissemination of untrue and deliberately false statements of fact can not contribute to the development of public opinion and thus do not fall in the remits of protection for free speech", the judges wrote in a statement.

"The denial of the Nazi genocide goes beyond the limits of the peacefulness of public debate and threatens public peace," they added.

Haverbeck has a long history of support for the former Nazi regime and co-founded a now-banned right wing 'education center' called Collegium Humanum with her late husband Werner Georg Haverbeck, a former Nazi party member.

Her articles denying the Holocaust were published in right-wing magazine Stimme des Reiches (Voice of the Empire).

Haverbeck has received several convictions from a range of German courts for her claims that the systematic mass murder of millions of Jews and other persecuted groups during Germany's Nazi regime did not take place.

On one occasion she was convicted for calling the Holocaust "the biggest and longest-lasting lie in history."