On Taking on Holocaust Deniers

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canpakes wrote:
Smokey wrote:For starters, the quote is fake.

I’ve posted a source. Feel free to post your own that sheds light on the authenticity or lack thereof.

Now, how about your visibly fake oven pic from earlier, where the body has been photoshopped out?

It's not difficult to find copies of this pamphlet in university and state libraries worldwide (i've just done a few obvious searches on worldcat.org.)

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It seems rather unlikely that all those copies in different countries were all faked by Jewish conspirators ...

There is an English translation here:

https://research.calvin.edu/german-prop ... arasit.htm

It contains such gems of Aryan thought as:

We National Socialists believe the Führer when he says that at the end of the battle, unleashed on us as his strongest adversary by the Jewish world parasite, the Jewish race in Europe will be destroyed. Until this destruction occurs, we must always remember that the Jew is our absolute enemy who will shrink at nothing. He knows but a single goal: our complete destruction.

Goebbels was just a common or garden Nazi. Are you surprised?
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The Goebbels Diaries are a collection of writings by Joseph Goebbels, a leading member of the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) and the Reich Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda in Adolf Hitler's government from 1933 to 1945. The diaries, which have only recently been published in full in German and are available only in part in English, are a major source for the inner history of the Nazi Party and of its twelve years in power in Germany. The British historian Ian Kershaw wrote in the preface to his biography of Hitler: "For all the caution which must naturally be attached to Goebbels's regularly reported remarks by Hitler ... the immediacy as well as the frequency of the comments makes them a vitally important source of insight into Hitler's thinking and action."[1]

Read more actual history at:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goebbels_Diaries

... because you sure can’t trust a neo-nazi Holocaust denier trying to convince you that the sloppily-photoshopped crematorium pic he posted really didn’t have that dead body in it.
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Chap wrote:It seems rather unlikely that all those copies in different countries were all faked by Jewish conspirators ...

If there are copies of something does it automatically mean it’s authentic?

Great news! There are over 150 million copies of the Book of Mormon in over 110 languages!

I look forward to seeing you in sacrament meeting.

There is an English translation here:

Are you suggesting that Joesph Goebbels published his personal diary? Or did he give it to a Russian to publish?

Are you suggesting that Joseph Goebbels was captured with his diary? Or did an American Hero find it? Or was it a Russian?

Please educate me on the provenance of this Diary.

So many FAKE diaries!
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Basement-dwelling incel, before 'basement-dwelling incel' was cool with the neo-nazi crowd:

Goebbels began to keep a diary in October 1923, shortly before his 27th birthday, while unemployed and living in his parents' home ...
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Smokey wrote:Are you suggesting that Joesph Goebbels published his personal diary?

Please educate me on the provenance of this Diary.

Reading is fundamental, Mr. Nazi Mac Tonight -

Hitler became Chancellor in January 1933 and appointed Goebbels Propaganda Minister. Goebbels then published an edited version of his diaries for the period of Hitler's rise to power in book form, under the title Vom Kaiserhof zur Reichskanzlei: Eine historische Darstellung in Tagebuchblattern (From the Kaiserhof to the Reich Chancellery: a Historical Diary). The Kaiserhof was a Berlin hotel where Hitler stayed before he came to power. Goebbels's book was later published in English as My Part in Germany's Fight. Although this book was propagandist in intent, it provides insight into the mentality of the Nazi leadership at the time of their accession to power.

By July 1941 the diaries had grown to fill twenty thick volumes, and Goebbels realised that they were too valuable a resource to risk their destruction in an air raid. He therefore moved them from his study in his Berlin home to the underground vaults of the Reichsbank in central Berlin.[9] From this time onwards, he no longer wrote the diaries by hand. Instead he dictated them to a stenographer, who later typed up corrected versions. He began each day's entry with a resume of the day's military and political news. Thacker notes: "Goebbels was already aware that his diary constituted a remarkable historical document, and entertained fond hopes of reworking it at some future stage for further publication, devoting hours to each day's entry."[10] The involvement of a stenographer, however, meant that the diaries were no longer entirely secret, and they became less frank about personal matters.

By November 1944 it was evident to Goebbels that Germany was going to lose the war. He wrote in his diary: "How distant and alien indeed this beautiful world appears. Inwardly I have already taken leave of it." Realising that he was unlikely to survive the fall of the Third Reich, he gave orders that his diaries were to be copied for safekeeping, using the new technique of microfilm.[11] A special darkroom was created in Goebbels's apartment in central Berlin, and Goebbels's stenographer, Richard Otte, supervised the work.[12]

Goebbels made the last entry in his diary on the afternoon of 1 May 1945, hours before his death, but it was not preserved.[13] The last preserved entry dates to 9 April 1945. The boxes of glass plates containing the microfilmed diaries were sent in April 1945 to Potsdam just west of Berlin, where they were buried. The original handwritten and typed diaries were packed and stored in the Reich Chancellery.[14] Some of these survived, and formed the basis for the publication of sections of the diaries (mainly from the war years) after the war. The boxes of glass plates at Potsdam were discovered by the Soviets and shipped to Moscow, where they sat unopened until they were discovered by the German historian Elke Fröhlich in 1992. Only then did the publication of the full diaries become possible.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goebbels_Diaries
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"In nature life always takes measures against parasites; in the life of nations that is not always the case. From this fact the Jewish peril actually stems. There is therefore no other recourse left for modern nations except to exterminate the Jew….”

Which diary entry is this quote from?

Do you have a date for this supposed diary entry? How about an image of the page? Page number? Anything?
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Smokey wrote:Which diary entry is this quote from?

Do you have a date for this supposed diary entry? How about an image of the page? Page number? Anything?

You can buy the book if that's actually important to you. Here's a link -

https://www.amazon.com/Goebbels-Diaries ... P.+Lochner
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If the quote is not faked, and I assure you it is, surely you can reference where it is in the diary. Which entry is it? What is the date? What page?
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Smokey wrote:If the quote is not faked, and I assure you it is, surely you can reference where it is in the diary. Which entry is it? What is the date? What page?

Of course you must say that, NPC. ; ) ... it's one of the rules that you must follow.

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Smokey wrote:If the quote is not faked, and I assure you it is, surely you can reference where it is in the diary. Which entry is it? What is the date? What page?

As if Smokey’s assurances about the contents of evidence are worth a damn. :rolleyes:
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