And then one day...

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And, of course - one can't be a holocaust denier without having to employ photoshopped images that they claim are "the real images". At least they could work on improving their skill level; I've seen grade schoolers do better work. From his oven pic above:

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Smokey wrote:This post is is filled with misspellings, misuse of words and almost demented failures of syntax. It spins around like a whirlwind "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”


Herr NPC stück scheiße, you could save yourself a massive amount of otherwise wasted time if you just copy and paste this text above in place of any of your future posts.
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Smokey wrote:
mikwut wrote:It is absurd to go any further then the distorted history of the Bolshevik revolution of 1917. Smokey's telling of this complicated matter is insane. There were Jewish leaders of many parties socialist and constitutionalist and monarchist alike. But Jews were predominantly moderate. The main reason a rather non-trivial number of Jews supported the Red Army was because of the chaos that was created from the pograms of 1881-82, 1903, 1905 as well as WWI which was largely fought across the pale of settlement where most of Russian Jews lived.This chaos scattered Jews east and west across the border to the Austrian Empire and into the heart of Russia. The abdication of the throne by Nicholas the II was totally unexpected and the new government was extremely open to the Jewish population by giving them equal treatment under the law and citizenship after the pale of settlement was eliminated. In two votes following the regime change the Jews voted as they pretty much always had moderate center. There were more menshivik Jews than Bolshevik supporters. Things get complicated with the regime change but it was the Red Army that was against anti semitism not the White. Therefore the Jews that held hands with the Red held reluctant hands with the party because they were the non-murderous and more embracing group that was not murdering them and allowing them rights after the devastating elimination of the pale of settlement. The ensuing horrible travesty's that followed with collectivism and such could not possibly be foreseen by the Jewish population.

To reference one prior leader of the white fiercely anti-semitic leader who left the country as a betrayal to whites misunderstands completely politics, ethnicity, race and many wars and pograms in ways that are baffling to understand. History is To characterize Marx as a Jew that somehow is part of a Jewish Cabal is also ridiculous. He repudiated his Jewish religion and thought of Jews as capitalists with disdain. Trotsky had Jewish heritage but that is about it. If you enjoy quoting Solzhenitsyn how about, "If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them." History always allows for several narratives particularly when your issuing simply ones. It concretizes much better when you get into the deep parts.

mikwut

This post is is filled with misspellings, misuse of words and almost demented failures of syntax. It spins around like a whirlwind "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

Smokey, Mikwut's post read just fine for me. Perhaps if you read it a little slower you will be able to understand it.
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I always have trouble reading mikwut’s posts because he types so fast. :lol:
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Now that I've received and had a chance to look over the evidence, I am prepared to present The Strange Saga of Anne Frank, the Holocaust Deniers, and the Ball Point Pen. Source is a report titled "The Diary of Anne Frank, the Critical Edition, prepared by the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation, 1986.

PART I: A VERY SHORT BIOGRAPHY OF ANNE FRANK

Anne Frank was born in Frankfurt, Germany on June 12, 1929. Her family consisted of her father, Otto, her mother, Edith, and her older sister, Margot. Several months after the Nazi Party won the 1933 municipal elections in Frankfurt, Otto decided that the family should emigrate to the Netherlands. Otto moved to Amsterdam and opened a pectin manufacturing business. Edith and Margot joined him first, followed by Anne. By March 1934, the family was living together in Amsterdam.

After a five day invasion, the Netherlands surrendered to Germany on May 15, 1940. Over time, the occupying government issued a number of anti-Jewish decrees. in January of 1942, Otto applied with the Emigration Section of the Amsterdam Jewish Council to emigrate from the Netherlands.

On June 12, 1942, Anne turned 13. She was given an autograph book for use as a Diary.

Less than a month later, the Central Office of Jewish Emigration began delivering "call up" notices to Jews. This was the beginning of the forced deportation of Jews from the Netherlands to camps in Germany and Poland. Both Otto and Margot received call up notices the next day.

Anne's parents and some friends had planned to go into hiding in mid-July, but they accelerated their plans in light of the call-up notice. They moved to a small living space hidden in a warehouse that had been a part of Otto's business. They would live there for just over two years.

On August 4, 1944, the eight Jews in hiding at the warehouse were arrested. The Jews were detained overnight, then sent to a local prison. About a month later, they were transferred to Westerbork, a Jewish Transit Camp. This camp was a depot for sending Jews to the camps in Poland. Anne's group was in the last transport ever sent from Westerbork to Auschwitz-Birkenau, arriving during the night of September 5-6. Upon arrival, the Jews went through the selection process, with one young boy in Anne's group sent to the gas chambers. The women were sent to Frauenblock 29.

At the end of October or early November, Anne and Margot were transferred to the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp.

On November 2, Himmler ordered that the gassings be stopped and all evidence of the mass murders to be eradicated. On November 25, the SS was dismantling the crematoria. The next day, Himmler ordered all the crematoria at Auschwitz to be destroyed.

During December, 1944, over 2000 women died in the women's camp. Anne's mother died in Auschwitz-Birkenau on January 6, 1945.

Bergen-Belsen, which had been one of the better camps earlier in the war, had become an overcrowded, typhus-infested hellhole. Little food, little medicine, few doctors, far too many prisoners. Margot died of typhus, followed a few days later by Anne. Eyewitnesses have described both during their last days. Within a couple of months, the British Army liberated Bergen-Belsen. You can easily find photos. Don't if you're squeamish.

Of the eight Jews taken prisoner, only Otto survived the camps.

PART II: WHAT ANNE FRANK WROTE

1. A diary, written in three bound notebooks. There is a gap in time between the first and the second notebook, indicating that a notebook was lost. The last entry is dated August 1, 1944.

2. A manuscript titled "The Secret Annex," written on loose pages, a version of her diary that she intended to publish. It includes entries from the presumed missing notebook from her original diary. The last entry is dated March 29, 1944, indicating Anne hadn't finished her revision before she was arrested.

3. Short stories titled "Tales from the Hidden Annex," written in a ledger book.

4. The Book of Beautiful Sentences -- a collection of sentences and passages copied from books Anne had read.

5. Cady's Life, a novel she started but never finished.

https://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank ... nne-frank/

All are handwritten manuscripts.

After Anne's arrest, the landlady gathered her papers and locked them in her desk. When Otto returned after the war, she gave them to him. Otto died in 1980, and willed at least the first three manuscripts to The Netherlands State Institute For War Documentation. Up to that point, the Institute had paid little attention to Anne Frank and her diary.

PART III: ENTER THE BALL POINT PEN

Anne's diary was first published in 1947 under the title "The Secret Annex." The first edition was in Dutch, followed by translations in German, English and many other languages. Attacks on the authenticity of the diary go back to at least 1957, and have continued through the present. They can be grouped into the following, non-exclusive categories.

1. Handwriting.
2. Alleged internal and external inconsistencies in the text.
3. Tone and style of the text.
4. History of litigation.
5. Copyright claims.
6. Ball point pen.

I'm only addressing the ball point pen at this point, but I'd be happy to report what I've found with respect to other issues.

The first indication that ball point pen had anything to do with Anne's writings came in 1980. Otto defended his and his daughter's honor vigorously, resulting in a tangled mess of litigation. As part of criminal lawsuits against two defendants, the BKA (Federal Criminal Investigation Bureau) was asked to prepare a written report on whether it was possible
by an examination of paper and writing material to establish that the writings attributed to Anne Frank were produced during the years 1941 to 1944.


The BKA issued a four-page report, concluding that the paper and ink used in the three notebooks and the loose pages were all manufactured before 1951, meaning they were consistent with Anne being the author of those manuscripts. But the report also included this sentence:

Some of the corrections made subsequently on the loose pages were [...] written in black, green and blue ballpen ink. Ballpen ink of this type has only been on the market since 1951.


The report did not specify the pages on which the corrections were located, identify how many corrections there were, or describe the corrections in any way. Note that the sentence says nothing about the text of the diary entries. At most, it means that sometime in the past 30 years, someone not named Anne Frank made "corrections" in pen. But that single sentence forms the entire factual basis for the claims of holocaust deniers that something about ball point pen proves that Anne didn't write her diaries.

Still to come:

WTF, DER SPIEGEL?
WHEN HOLOCAUST DENIERS ATTACK
THE BALL POINT PEN UNMASKED
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Res Ipsa wrote:Still to come:

WTF, DER SPIEGEL?
WHEN HOLOCAUST DENIERS ATTACK
THE BALL POINT PEN UNMASKED


Bated breath.
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PART IV: WTF, DER SPIEGEL?

A little more than four months after the BKA completed its report, Der Spiegel published a lengthy article about it. The introductory paragraph stated, in bold type:
Proved by a [BKA] report: "The Diary of Anne Frank" was edited at a later date. Further doubt is therefore cast on the authenticity of that document.

In its single sentence about the ball point pen, the BKA report used the German word Korrecturen, meaning "corrections." The Der Spiegel article referred to:
additions to the original that up to now had always been considered to be in the hand as the rest of the text.

[Emphasis added.]

The article added:
Now, if the handwriting of the original entries matched that of the additions, then there must have been an imposter at work..."

Only toward the end of the lengthy article, did the author actually quote from the BKA report, using the correct term "corrections."

To fully understand the reasoning of the Der Spiegel article, we have to take a little detour back in time. Twenty years before, in 1960, two handwriting analysts, Minna Becker and Dorothea Ockelmann, gave an opinion in earlier court case. They were asked to determine whether the three notebooks and the loose sheets had been written by the same person who wrote two letters and two postcards signed "Anne." They wrote a 131 page report. This is how the Critical Edition describes their conclusion:
all the written entries in Diaries 1, 2 and 3, including the pages that had been pasted in, the loose sheets and all improvements and additions were "identical" with the specimen handwriting of Anne Frank.

So, you can see the logic: If everything written on the manuscript pages is in the same handwriting and if there were additions to the text written in ink manufactured after 1951, then whoever wrote the text was not Anne Frank.

To Der Speigel's credit, the magazine added some qualification to its statements, including casting doubt on the reliability of graphological evidence. But its choice of sensationalized language and its failure to ask critical questions, such as:

What were the corrections?
How many were found?
Do we know if the corrections were on the manuscript when they were examined in 1960?

gave the Holocaust Deniers all the opening they needed.

Jump to Part V: When Holocaust deniers attack]
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Smokey wrote:I’m trying to not let the Holopologists derail us into the weeds and will use a quote where there is actual video footage of it being said:

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‎הרב יוסף בן פורת Rabbi Yosef Ben Porat:

“Important stories, important facts, that clarify things we didn’t receive in school. We didn’t receive in the curriculum. They didn’t even teach them in high education. I gave lectures in front of history professors.

Why really Hitler hated the Jews? What did he want from them? How did they bother him?

But it’s all written here in ‘Mein Kampf’.

This book was published only recently, it just got approved to be translated to Hebrew. It was forbidden all these years. But there is an earlier translation that was made by Yad Vashem, they were allowed to.

Hitler claims in his book, that the ‘Jews are communists. They made the Russian Revolution. They killed there 30 million Russians. All the intelligent ones in a cruel and horrific way and that’s their plan for the entire world.

The next country in line is Germany. They founded the German Communist and Socialist parties’ — and it’s true.

’If we don’t defeat them now, they will eliminate us, and they will slaughter another 20 million, all the intelligent people.’

And that’s how they went, from country to country. So eventually the only intelligent ones remaining would be the Jews.

And he repeats it many times, make no mistake, and he is right. The Russian Revolution was made by the Jews. The Russian army was built by Trotsky who was an incredible genius.”


Now we know that most of the Holocaust stories come from the Jewish Soviet Union and Hitler’s so-called gas chambers were found in the territories occupied by the Jewish Soviet Union. Let’s be very clear: There was not a single credible death camp found on the Allied’s side, ever. The only gas chamber ever found on the Allied side was found at Dachau, where the Americans admit that they “reconstructed” a shower room in 1948 to look like a gas chamber to “simulate what a Nazi gas chamber would look like.”

A sign there clearly says the “Gas Chamber” was “Never Used.”

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We have to trust the biggest mass murderers in history to tell us how evil the Nazis were, while the world is left completely unaware that the biggest massacres in human history was committed by the Jewish Communists.

We are going to now examine the evidence of the Holocaust like a crime scene investigator, and evaluate it like judges and jurors in a court room.

Before I get any farther into this, I want to put up a disclaimer and state that my wife is Jewish.

Some of my in-laws are Orthodox Jews.

My mother-in-law is technically a “Holocaust Survivor” — though she never stepped foot in a concentration camp — she is legally defined as a “Holocaust Survivor” because she is a Jew who lived in Europe under Nazi occupation. She receives money from the German government, but the non-Jews who were actually in labor camps receive nothing.

For legal purposes, I want to state it clearly: I believe in the official version of the Holocaust, that 6 million Jews died, maybe even 6 billion Jews died, because if I don’t believe the official version of the Holocaust I could go to jail.

In my wife’s country, as with many other countries, Holocaust “Denial” or Holocaust Revision is against the law.

This is the only historical event that is protected by law.

So for legal purposes, because I often spend time away from the USA in her country, I am stating first that I believe in Holocaustism. From now on, as we examine the evidence and really explore this topic, I’m going to be acting as a Holocaust Denier.



I am back from a country where I would be jailed for making this thread, and I would like to continue playing the role of a Holocaust denier.

As I was looking out the window of my plane on the late-night flight back into these beautiful united States, I was thinking about how interesting it is that whenever there is a view that contradicts this particular narrative, one that could bring unwanted attention on the Jewish Communists and their crimes in Europe, all the might and power of the Jewish led media and governments unites against freedom of speech. I realized that the Holocaust is a unifying belief for all Jews, especially Jewish Communists, like the Restoration is for Mormons. I’ll come back to that later.

As I was starting to feel some pride in returning to the land of freedom, not fearing for my life and livelihood when talking about history and the merits of wartime atrocity propaganda, I remembered that I am still impacted here in these free states. Recently Amazon was forced, under pressure from powerful Jews, to stop selling books that contradict Holocaustism and the “official” Soviet Union version of World War 2. Many of these are important books with important information.

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To be clear: the most powerful bookseller in the world had to pull these books because of how fast they were circulating and because of the content written inside:

The Hoax of the Twentieth Century (2015)
Auschwitz: A Judge Looks at the Evidence (2015)
Der Holocaust: Die Argumente (2nd ed.)
The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry (2015)
Holocaust High Priest
Auswanderung der Juden aus Democrat Dritten Reich
The “Extermination Camps” of “Aktion Reinhardt”, vol. 1
The “Extermination Camps” of “Aktion Reinhardt”, vol. 1
The Real Case for Auschwitz
Schiffbruch
Vorlesungen über den Holocaust
Die Bunker von Auschwitz
Der Holocaust vor Gericht
Die Leuchter-Gutachten
Air Photo Evidence
The Giant with Feet of Clay
Der Jahrhundertbetrug
Die Zentralbauleitung der Waffen SS Auschwitz
Chelmno
Sobibor
Der Auschwitz-Mythos
Kardinalfragen an Deutschlands Politker
The Cremation Furnaces of Auschwitz, vol. 1
The Cremation Furnaces of Auschwitz, vol. 2
The Cremation Furnaces of Auschwitz, vol. 3
“Die Vernichtung der europäischen Juden”. Raul Hilberg…
Breaking the Spell
Debating the Holocaust
The Central Construction Office of the Waffen SS Auschwitz
Dissecting the Holocaust
The First Holocaust
The Leuchter Reports
Exactitude. Festschrift for R. Faurisson
Holocaust-Revisionismus
Jewish Emigration from the Third Reich
Debunking the Bunkers of Auschwitz
Auschwitz: Plain Facts
Auschwitz: Nackte Fakten
Auschwitz: Die erste Vergasung
Feuerzeichen: Die Kristallnacht
Auschwitz: The First Gassing
Das Konzentrationslager Stutthof
Curated Lies
Concentration Camp Stutthof
Fail: “Debunking Holocaust Denial Theories”
Special Treatment in Auschwitz
Auschwitz Lies
Sonderbehandlung in Auschwitz
Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil
Gesundheitsfürsorge in Auschwitz
The Holocaust: An Introduction
Fail: “Denying the Holocaust”
Auschwitz: Crematorium I
Auschwitz: Krematorium I
Auschwitz: Open-Air Incinerations
Freiluftverbrennungen in Auschwitz
Belzec
Treblinka
Sobibor
Concentration Camp Majdanek
Inside the Gas Chambers
Auschwitz-Lügen
Till Bastian, Auschwitz und die Auschwitz-Lüge
Fail: “Denying History”
Healthcare in Auschwitz
The Gas Vans
Der Holocaust: Die Argumente (3rd ed.)
Chelmno
P. Winter, The Six Million: Fact or Fiction
D. Hoggan, The Myth of the Six Million
V. Thorn, The Holocaust Hoax Exposed
S. King, The Bad War

Now, these books haven’t been banned(!) because they were found out to be untrue, or that they incited violence, but these books are simply banned because they go against the “official” narrative of Holocaustism, again a narrative given to us by the Soviet Union.

Imagine if all the acceptable books written about the Iraq/Afghanistan war were legally required to be favorable to Vladimir Putin and approved by the Kremlin. Sound ridiculous? That is exactly what has happened with World War II and the Holocaust.

We are required - punishable by prison, fines, and worse - to accept an official story from Bolshevik Communists - the greatest war criminals in human history.

But I digress.

We’ve established some context in my last two posts about the Jewish Communists massacring millions of Christians in Europe, and laid out the horrific acts occurring in Europe at the hand of the Jewish Bolsheviks, let us skip forward a bit and just discuss the actual evidence for the Holocaust. I ask that you try to have an open mind as learning this will certainly be uncomfortable at first.

There is no physical evidence of the Holocaust.

No autopsies of bodies were ever conducted by any Allied investigators to prove gassing of camp inmates.

No photographic evidence was taken by Allied aerial reconnaissance of the camps between 1942-1945 showing mass exterminations or removal of human remains, even though such activity would have been easily spotted.

No captured diaries of journals of high-ranking German officials alluded to any program of extermination, nor is there any documentation whatsoever alluding to a program of extermination. As Holopologists claim, in bad faith, that the National Socialists killed eleven million people - roughly 5 million Europeans and 6 million Jews - the idea that every single document alluding to this massive operation was destroyed is ridiculous.

Neither mass graves of 11 million bodies nor the remains of the equivalent number of bodies in layers of ash and crushed bone, have ever been located in or around the internment camps.

The claims of “human soap”, “skin lampshades”, and “shrunken heads” were debunked and admitted lies in mainstream American newspapers 30 years ago.

The “steam chambers” and “electrified floors” were the first alleged methods for the Holocaust, but after quickly proven to be lies, changed to Homicidal Gas Chambers which is the current operating version. I’m sure that will eventually change as enough people wake up to the absurdity of the Homicidal Gas Chamber Theory (HGCT). If the HGCT was true, there would not have needed to be fake reports about electrified floors and steam chambers initially.

If you are looking for a parallel to this type of wartime atrocity propaganda, look no further than the creators of the Holocaust story. The Katyn Massacre, which involved the shooting of 20,000 Poles and for which many Germans were hanged, was admitted by Gorbachev’s Russian government in 1990 that the massacre was actually carried out by the Bolsheviks.

Well isn’t that a coincidence.

To be continued.
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The Babi Yar massacre was another example of this strategic misinformation campaign. The original story, which involved Germans allegedly killing 40,000 Jews outside of Kiev in 1941 (with no eyewitnesses) and then returning 3 years - while being pursued by the Red Army - later to dig up all the remains and destroy them using “bone-crushing machines” was laughable and very reminiscent of other fantastic Holocaustism stories. However, it was later discovered that this site was where Ukrainians were murdered by the Jewish Communists in the worst genocide in human history, the previously mentioned Holodomor.

It has been mentioned that millions of Jews disappeared from Europe without a trace. Again, note that this is the kind of evidence we have for the Holocaust. No physical evidence, but rather, where are the missing Jews? Well, it was official Soviet policy to prioritize the evacuation of Jews via trains ahead of the German advance. Eastern Soviet territories such as Kazakstan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan, recorded huge numbers of Jews flooding into their lands during WWII.

Records show that German guards were severely reprimanded for so much as striking camp inmates, let alone killing them. Karl Koch, the commander of Buchenwald camp, was executed by the SS for killing an inmate and stealing personal possessions.

Germany has no examples of genocidal behavior, not even when at its most aggressive. The Jewish Communists in Europe, however, certainly have a long and bloody history of genocidal behavior towards their perceived enemies. This was discussed in the previous posts in this thread, but some examples to recap are: Russian Orthodox Christians, Ukranian kulaks, Polish Catholics, Germans, and Palestinians are all victims of Jewish-sponsored genocides.

The only German admissions of guilt were obtained by severe torture. Rudolph Hoess was tortured so severely that he admitted to the location of a camp that never existed.

If Germans had wanted to kill Jewish inmates, they did not need to concoct an elaborate HGCT, all they would have needed to do is not feed the prisoners. This is how President Eisenhower exterminated 1.5 million German POWs in the Rhineland death camps after the war. No need for homicidal gas chambers, bone-crushing machines, electric floors, homicidal roller coasters, masturbation machines, shotgun glory-holes, or any of the other Tom and Jerry type of outlandish death machines that the Holopologists have claimed - without ANY physical evidence - existed in Nazi Germany.

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Rudolf Vrba, the Slovak Jew that popularized the HGCT, was forced to admit under oath during the 1985 trial of Ernst Zundel that he had never witnessed an actual gassing, that his stories were “artistic representations” - the Jewish term for lies.

Numerous Holocaust “memoirs”; the previously discussed “Anne Frank Diary”, Herman Rosenblat’s “Angel of France”, Jerzy Kosinski’s “The Painted Bird”, have all been proven to be fabricated fiction. Elie Wiesel’s “Night”, based on his experiences at Auschwitz, fails to mention any gas chambers and instead changes the HGCT to a homicidal pyres theory, or HPT.

During the First World War, the British Government made similar claims of homicidal gas chambers and later apologized for the lies and wartime atrocity propaganda. They did not do so after the Second World War due to the need to have a moral justification for the establishment of the state of Israel.

To be continued.
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Re: And then one day...

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NPC Smokey - take a break from the neo-Nazi hatred and have some Thanksgiving food, already.
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