Should Everything Wrong Be Illegal?

[_honorentheos]

I posted it in good faith and acknowledge your objections to the Church of Satan being conflated with the kind of Satanism John Podesta promotes.

And what might that be?

[Guest]

I’m very happy to stand on the examples in your opening thread.

You continue to, in bad faith, make personal attacks and can’t or won’t provide a single example of a lie or mistake, let alone the other horrible things you’ve said about me personally.

OK, Boomer.

Readers are free to judge for themselves

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Yes they can. That’s what I’m counting on.

However there are certain people, whom may or may not share a common trait, that are dead-set on not allowing readers to judge for themselves. I hope they do not succeed.

[_Smokey]

And what might that be?

Which question do you want me to answer first?

[_Gadianton]

I see that you believe, hopefully in good faith, that there is a meaningful difference between Satanism and the Church of Satan. I respectfully disagree.

Fantastic. Then explain how the Jews planned, pushed and run all of Satanism, including the Church of Satan.

[_honorentheos]

And what might that be?

Which question do you want me to answer first?

You have a backlog building up. Chose the one you feel you can best support. Then support it.

[_Smokey]

I see that you believe, hopefully in good faith, that there is a meaningful difference between Satanism and the Church of Satan. I respectfully disagree.

Fantastic. Then explain how the Jews planned, pushed and run all of Satanism, including the Church of Satan.

Ideally I’d like to start a new thread about this topic, Jewish (sorry for using that word) Satanism, but I think it might cause our friend in Florida to have an aneurysm. So I’ll try to be brief.

Please forgive me for quoting the notoriously right-wing, white nationalist Times of Israel:

Located one-mile from historic sites tied to Salem’s 1692 witchcraft hysteria, the building — a former funeral home — was inaugurated last month by activist Malcolm Jarry, a self-described “secular Jew” who co-founded The Satanic Temple (TST) in 2013. Jarry is a pseudonym, and he refuses to be photographed.

Believe it or not, it gets better.

For the 49-year-old Jarry, there is not much conflict between being Jewish and a Satanist. As a matter of fact, the two identities have come to inform each other, he said.

And yet again.

The Church of Satan was founded by Jewish-born Anton LaVey in 1966. Known in his heyday as “the black pope,” LaVey seeded “grotto” churches around the country, and Hollywood figures including Sammy Davis Jr. joined the church. (Davis had converted to Judaism in 1961.)

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Shall we continue, or have I demonstrated my good faith to your satisfaction ?

[_honorentheos]

have I demonstrated my good faith to your satisfaction ?

Is this proof Mormons are behind Satanism?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct- ... story.html

Pace wrote that he is personally convinced at least 800 church-affiliated Satanists now are practicing occult rituals and devil worship in the Salt Lake Valley.

Many of them, he added, pose as devout Mormon leaders and include bishops, a diocese president, patriarchs, temple workers, members of the church`s Young Women and Young Men groups, and even members of the world famous Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

I mean, you were told explicitly that picking a person or two who had a Jewish background was no more or less supportive than it would be to point out a non-Jewish Satanist would contradict the claim of a conspiracy. Yet here you went down that road anyway.

[Guest]

Please forgive me for quoting the notoriously right-wing, white nationalist Times of Israel:

Located one-mile from historic sites tied to Salem’s 1692 witchcraft hysteria, the building — a former funeral home — was inaugurated last month by activist Malcolm Jarry, a self-described “secular Jew” who co-founded The Satanic Temple (TST) in 2013. Jarry is a pseudonym, and he refuses to be photographed.

Oh, lol.

From Wiki, because The Jooz!!1! - -

"The Satanic Temple is a nontheistic religious group based in United States.[1][2][3][4] The Temple is recognized as a church for the purposes of tax exemption,[5] with chapters in 13 states and Canada.[6] The group uses Satanic imagery to promote egalitarianism, social justice, and the separation of church and state. Their stated mission is "to encourage benevolence and empathy among all people". The group was co-founded by Lucien Greaves, the organization's spokesperson, and Malcolm Jarry.[7] The Satanic Temple has utilized satire, theatrical ploys, humor, and direct legal action in their public campaigns to "generate attention and prompt people to reevaluate fears and perceptions", and to "highlight religious hypocrisy and encroachment on religious freedom".[8][9][10]

The organization actively participates in public affairs that have manifested in several public political actions and efforts at lobbying,[11][12] with a focus on the separation of church and state and using satire against Christian privilege that it says interferes with personal religious freedom. It considers marriage a religious sacrament that should be governed under the First Amendment's protection of religious liberty, and which should prevail over state laws.[13] Because the group regards inviolability of the body as a key doctrine, it also views all restrictions on abortion, including mandatory waiting periods, as an infringement on the rights of Satanists to practice their religion.[14] The Satanic Temple does not believe in a supernatural Satan. The Temple uses the literary Satan as a metaphor to promote pragmatic skepticism, rational reciprocity, personal autonomy, and curiosity.[7] Satan is thus used as a symbol representing "the eternal rebel" against arbitrary authority and social norms.[15][16]"

Smokey would do well to aspire to the tenets of this 'Temple'. : )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Temple

[_canpakes]

Meanwhile, more lulz:

San Jose, CA — Recently, the Mormon Church enacted a new policy labeling same-sex partners as “apostates,” meaning forsaken in the eyes of their God. Even more vile, the religion extends this mistreatment to children, claiming that children from these households are not worthy of blessings or membership in their church.

This is nothing more than a thinly-veiled attempt to shame and bully children for the lifestyle choices of their families. It is as repugnant as when they declared that individuals with black skin could not receive their priesthood, which they enforced until 1978 when cultural pressure demanded they change the policy. It seems that the Mormon Church has learned nothing from their mistake. The members of The Satanic Temple feel that it is time to meet these injustices with an equal level of activism.

For decades, the Mormon Church has performed a ritual they call the baptism for the dead, a practice where a proxy “stand in” is used to baptize someone who has passed away. The Church targets people of any faith or belief system, and the ritual is considered a valid attempt at converting the person to the Mormon faith. People who have been baptized posthumously include Genghis Khan, former Popes, and those who have died in the Holocaust.

While the Church claims that it only performs these rituals at the bequest of family members, there are hundreds – if not thousands – of instances where this has not been the case. The goal of the Church is to baptize every deceased human they possibly can, no matter what that person’s spiritual preferences were in life. The Church keeps detailed genealogical histories of both members and non-members, so that it may perform these ceremonies on the dead.

“We wanted to let the Church know that their assault on human dignity is unacceptable,” said Xepher Asche, Director of Communications for The Satanic Temple – San Jose Chapter. “By performing baptisms of the dead on known atheists, skeptics, and individuals of other faiths, they are violating the memory of those who died. This is an injustice that demands opposition.”

Though the Mormon Church claims the spirit of the deceased can “refuse” the ritual, we feel this is a poor justification used only after the violation has already occurred. By creating the baptismoptout registry, The Satanic Temple gives a person the ability to ensure their religious liberties are upheld while they are still alive.

Asche states, “By creating this registry, we have ensured that the LDS Church will need to check in with The Satanic Temple before performing their baptism for the dead, or risk violating the direct wishes of those they seek to convert.”

The Satanic Temple (TST) is an atheistic religious organisation that uses the symbol of Satan to inspire civic justice. Its members note that it felt the need to intervene because the Mormon Church has failed to address this issue themselves. Jedediah Schadenfreude, Chapter Head of The Satanic Temple – San Jose Chapter, states, “We would rather not have to do this. We created this registry in lieu of a responsible opt out option provided by the Mormon Church.”

NPC Smokey is angry. : )

[_Lemmie]

I see that you believe, hopefully in good faith, that there is a meaningful difference between Satanism and the Church of Satan. I respectfully disagree.

Fantastic. Then explain how the Jews planned, pushed and run all of Satanism, including the Church of Satan.

Ideally I’d like to start a new thread about this topic, Jewish (sorry for using that word) Satanism, but I think it might cause our friend in Florida to have an aneurysm. So I’ll try to be brief.

Please forgive me for quoting the notoriously right-wing, white nationalist Times of Israel:

Located one-mile from historic sites tied to Salem’s 1692 witchcraft hysteria, the building — a former funeral home — was inaugurated last month by activist Malcolm Jarry, a self-described “secular Jew” who co-founded The Satanic Temple (TST) in 2013. Jarry is a pseudonym, and he refuses to be photographed.

Believe it or not, it gets better.

For the 49-year-old Jarry, there is not much conflict between being Jewish and a Satanist. As a matter of fact, the two identities have come to inform each other, he said.

And yet again.

The Church of Satan was founded by Jewish-born Anton LaVey in 1966. Known in his heyday as “the black pope,” LaVey seeded “grotto” churches around the country, and Hollywood figures including Sammy Davis Jr. joined the church. (Davis had converted to Judaism in 1961.)

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Shall we continue, or have I demonstrated my good faith to your satisfaction ?

All you have demonstrated is your lack of good faith. Or your inability to understand what you read. Here are some parts of the article you left out:

Unlike the occultist LaVey and his Church of Satan, Jarry and his upstart Satanic movement do not associate with magic, he said. Like other religions and non-religions, Satanism has multiple off-shoots and — spoiler alert — Satanists are against submitting to centralized authority, which the pay-to-play cult of LaVey began to exemplify for some practitioners of so-called LaVeyan Satanism.

In recent weeks, TST has been in the news for one member’s attempts to deliver a Satanist invocation at Boston City Hall. The opportunity to open meetings with prayers is by invitation only, and only mainstream religions have ever been asked, said Jarry.

“If the decision is that only we cannot deliver an invocation, then we will sue and we will win,” said the veteran contrarian.

“We expect to be treated in the same manner as all other religions and will sue for all of the same rights,” said Jarry, adding that TST’s campaigns are fueled by “the importance of standing for freedom of expression and against tyrannical authority.”

According to Salem city officials, only a handful of citizens have expressed concern about the Satanic temple’s arrival in the bewitched seaport, one of New England’s top tourist destinations. Among Salem’s several thousand Jewish residents, those questioned by The Times of Israel had only positive things to say about their town’s newest faith — or faithless — based neighbor.

“Honestly, for us, it is such a non-event,” said Liz Polay-Wettengel, a Salem resident for more than a decade.

“We live with so many different types of beliefs here, including a very large Wiccan community, that having a Satanic church open doesn’t even register for me and other Salem Jews I have spoken with,” said Polay-Wettengel, who directs marketing for InterfaithFamily.com.

“As long as we can practice our Judaism freely, I have to extend those rights to them as well,” she said.