Rules of Patheos: Midgley appears to violate TOS 10x

[_Dr LOD]

It goes something like this: According to Midgley, Newton claims that the Maori Mormons have long believed themselves to be remnants of the Lamanites and the Book of Mormon is "their book". But "DNA evidence" has forced the Mopologists to invent the Limited Geography Theory, which has been officially adopted by the Church, and so the credibility of the Maori's myth about themselves erodes..Migdley counters two parts of this alleged claim. First, he contends that the Moari don't view themselves as literal remnants of the Lamanites

The Book of Mormon was read by the older Māori I knew in 1950–1952 as “their story” in the sense that it was a tribal history whose  narrative was very much like their own

Remember, the apologists first serve the Limited Geography Theory.[/quote]

Like I said in the post here and on SEN, I don't believe he wasn't being overtly racist. I don't hold a sincerely held belief of Laminate origins as such, at least to the individual. They were taught institutionalized racism by their church. So Midgley in this case gets a pass on this one because on a whole he actually is better on this particular subject than the average church member over the age of sixty five.

On the Limited Geography Theory. I am aware that they are all about that. I read the Sorensen books when I was twelve years old, after my parents took one of those trips with Dr. Sorensen. I also have a degree in genetics.

The funny part about at least what Peterson and Midgley have shared about how the LGT and DNA interrelate. First they also believe that ALL native people of the western hemisphere have DNA from a Book of Mormon group, every single tribe. Now they base this off one unscientific unsupported claim by Ugo Perego where he basically he can't rule out this possibility. What Perego does not go into is what the probability of this happening, which is almost zero. But what this one comment lets the mopologists do is believe in the LGT, as well as not throwing out all the times in LDS cannon where scripture and prophets say who the lamanites are.

Now as a Native American I am pissed that the church has used my people and their culture as a faith promoting mascot and prop. Then when it becomes inconvenient to do that they pretend it didn't happen. The churches foundation isn't revelation it is cultural appropriation.

[_Stem]

Louis MIdlgey is one of the most singularly evil, awful, most sadistic people that Mormonism has ever produced.

Oh geez. I don't get much into these apologetic battles with Peterson, Midgley, kiwi and others. I mean they say stupid stuff sure. but this is just silly hyperbole. Midgley's probably a nice enough fellow...the kind who might drop off his extra tomatoes, cucumbers, and zucchinis to his neighbor. I imagine he's the type who loves his grandkids, great grandkids and great great grandkids. Might even regale them with silly anecdotes and stories, as he spreads his version of love amongst them. I"m not saying he's likely all that great, but it's not as if he lead a bunch of fellow church goers to slaughter unarmed people under the guise of leading them to safety. he's a grouchy old guy who sincerely thinks the attacks against his religion and fellow religionists are uncalled for, and thinks going on the offensive is the best way to defend. He may even be a bit grouchy, mean, selfish, and foolish. but I don't think that equates to some purely evil person.

[_Philo Sofee]

No not pure evil, pure imbecile. A Ph.D imbecile. An arrogant serving self important person who can do no wrong because he is blinded by the light he is supposed to be upholding. His flashlight is pointed back onto his own eyes blinding him to his own appearance to the world which may in many cases be their only look at what Mormonism is like. The man is an embarrassment beyond description. Were I still an apologist, I personally would have told him to get off the boards and shut up. Be that as it may, I wish him the very best in figuring out how to actually becoming loving as his Savior is at least said to have been.

[_moksha]

I asked a question of Dr. Midgley on that Maori thread. Hope I don't get booted off SeN.

DanielPeterson Mod -> Moksha • 3 hours ago • edited

You're welcome here. It's certainly a more diverse, good humored, and substantive place, and I can understand why you would want to come.

But I ask you to please not bring over here the personal hostilities and obsessions that dominate the place from which you're coming.

Oh, no need for that Mr. Peterson! You do a fine job of obsessively following this board, commenting obsessively about this board on your blog, and creating as much hostility as possible between the two! It's quite psychologically fascinating.

- Doc

I figure Dr. Peterson read of my worry on this forum and was graciously trying to allay my apprehension. I appreciate that I received only 1 down vote and 5 upvotes for my first post on Sic et Non. I liked that diverse and good-humored description, although that substantive stuff sounds daunting.

[_Gadianton]

Like I said in the post here and on SEN, I don't believe he wasn't being overtly racist.

Sure, I agree.

I read the Sorensen books when I was twelve years old, after my parents took one of those trips with Dr. Sorensen.

Is Mr. Midgley and the blog proprietor aware of this?

[_Philo Sofee]

Exactly, Lemmie.

Where exactly did Jesus give his followers the right to judge others? Where exactly did he authorize vigilantism?

3 Nephi when he showed up and scorched, crushed, pounded, and annihilated the majority of the civilization (he really couldn't think of any other way to make a grand pooh pah entrance, I mean give him a break, it's not like he is omniscient yet like his dad claimed to be, he was a rather beginner sorta God at this point, so he was justa flexin those "God muscles" of power to see how well they worked. eh, he did O.K., he took out about 3/4ths of em) before he came a floatin down to share band aids with those who survived the onslaught. From his New Testament teachings, we can link them to 3 Nephi because, well, that's what apologists do, take scripture out of context, historical or otherwise. Jesus said his followers would do greater works than he did, so, we can expect with their billions of bucks, Mormonism is gonna soon own nukes, and, well, then teach the value of obedience or burn in the Lord's name... You only single anointed of God can believe anything you want to, but remember, WE, the 2nd anointed have the button...

[_Dr LOD]

Like I said in the post here and on SEN, I don't believe he wasn't being overtly racist.

Sure, I agree.

I read the Sorensen books when I was twelve years old, after my parents took one of those trips with Dr. Sorensen.

Is Mr. Midgley and the blog proprietor aware of this?

I’m sure they are thinking about it. And if they actually go and even ask Sorensen about they will just prove what kind of people they really are.

I regularly discussed many of my church concerns with someone in a position who could cause problems for the mopologists, on multiple levels.

[_Gadianton]

Playing devil's advocate for a moment, Dr. LOD, but this person in a position of power, isn't this person first and foremost committed to the Church's pocket book? Are you sure this person in the end, once it were understood that you were done, wouldn't side with Midgley? After all, Midgley's "intellectual history" of Grant Palmer came at the behest of the Brethren.

Wouldn't this person in the position you speak of, be partial to defenders of the faith?

[_Lemmie]

Louis Midgley Exiled • 8 hours ago • edited

Self-Exiled: Would you please take a moment and indicate whether I have responded adequately to the rash of false claims that I am angry and filed with spite, and so forth? I would like to have these false claims expunged.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... 4714896678

No chance, Midgley. Your mean-spirited, small-minded tone is rabid and well established.

[_Lemmie]

L ouis Midgley • 2 days ago • edited

I trust that cultural Mormon critics of the faith of the Saints who post on sic et non will have noticed that I am not at all impressed with the coherence of some of their speculation. If I do not represent a stone in their already woobly boot, then they should know that perhaps dozen of others who enjoy the interesting, enlightening, and important things about which Professor Peterson blogs, and the solid information he makes available, are likely to be either bored or annoyed with certain unfounded speculation they tend to emit. I have in mind the primary meaning of emit.

http://disq.us/p/25xss37

This just cracks me up. Midgley would have been grounded for his entire childhood if he grew up in any of my family’s homes. His filthy mouth, filthy mind and who knows what additional filthiness he keeps deep in his soul were simply not acceptable behaviors for children. The fact that he’s an adult doing this is just gross.

Louis Midgley Billy Shears 11 hours ago

i am confident that Dan, much like the rest of us, would prefer that critics be civil, rational, informed, and respectful, and perhaps even appropriately transparent. However, he tends to overlook the absence of all of these obvious virtues.

He will, however give those the boot who insist on launching personal insults.

He is cautious about those who float over from a certain despicable message board where his own Malevolent Staker(s) hang out.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... 4714685576

Is it possible for a human being to totally lack self-awareness?