Present from Ebenezer Trump

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ajax18 wrote:I guess those in Louisiana are lucky to have Jon Bell Edwards reelected. The first thing he did was get rid of those annoying work requirements for food stamps.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think poor people are supposed to do? Should we as a society just expect everyone else to starve if they don't got what it takes? Survival of the fittest, and all that?

Wait. That's evolution.

What did Jesus say, again?
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ajax18 wrote: Doesn't he know that people are used to disability being a way to enjoy their life free of work for 6 and 7 generations now?

I know they were using disability as an extension of unemployment insurance in Kentucky.

Otherwise, for those suffering from a serious disability, this Republican rhetoric is abysmally cruel.
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Perfume on my Mind wrote:
Present from Ebenezer Trump

I'm trying to imagine the version of The Christmas Carol starring Trump.

That version is only 5 minutes. The ghosts get together at the beginning and say, "Yeah, this douche bag is irredeemable. Let's move on to that Scrooge asshole. He might be convinced."

The ghosts see something worth redeeming in Scrooge. The next morning after the visitation Scrooge is no longer a Republican.
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Just out of curiosity, what do you think poor people are supposed to do?


Some can only do volunteer work. This often still meets the requirements to qualify for medicaid and food stamps.

Should we as a society just expect everyone else to starve if they don't got what it takes? Survival of the fittest, and all that?


We're talking about work requirements to collect on a benefit. Nobody who is willing to do some kind of work is starving because of work requirements attached to welfare benefits.
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Otherwise, for those suffering from a serious disability, this Republican rhetoric is abysmally cruel.


Do the 1/12 people currently collecting disability benefits all qualify as seriously disabled in your opinion?

Is attaching a work requirement to collect on medicaid and disability abysmally cruel?

Hunger can be a great motivator.
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moksha wrote:The ghosts see something worth redeeming in Scrooge. The next morning after the visitation Scrooge is no longer a Republican.

It's a Christmas miracle!

If there's one thing that motivates Republicans, it's imaginary ghosts.
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ajax18 wrote:
I heard he was going to impose work requirements to qualify for Medicaid. What a scary world we live in! Asking people to find a way to contribute is so cruel.


"Are there no prisons?" asked Scrooge.
"Plenty of prisons," said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.
"And the Union workhouses?" demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
"They are. Still," returned the gentleman, "I wish I could say they were not."
"The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?" said Scrooge.
"Both very busy, sir."
"Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course," said Scrooge. "I am very glad to hear it."

...

I don't make merry myself at Christmas, and I can't afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned--they cost enough; and those who are
badly off must go there."

"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
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I've been quite the scrooge with the surplus bums on our interstates this winter. It seems the colder weather drives them south. After having one reject my dollar and demand I pay for him to eat in the restaurant I was taking my wife, I've stopped carrying cash. I now carry business cards to Ranstadt temp agency. But why accept $8/hr when begging pays more. Most of my Latino patients agree with me. Most of these people have no excuse for begging in this country.
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One thing I've learned about Christians: you can't appeal to them with the words of Jesus. It doesn't work. Either they already follow Jesus and don't need the reminder, or they never damned followed Jesus in the first place. For the latter, Christianity is just a label they wear to avoid the effort of gaining respectability the real way.
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moksha wrote:Why are you posting stuff like this Moksha? No one cares. This is a forum to discuss weighty matters which other posters are interested in.


I kind of care, but it's hard to point to a single drop in a torrential downpour of federal debt and claim that it's the problem. Between massive federal spending, quantitative easing, and the fed pumping hundreds of billions into the economy I'm not sure $68B or so really makes a difference.

https://4thworldmovement.org/food-stamps-waste-money/

To put this in perspective – 141,204,625 Americans paid income taxes in 2015[6]. Because of our progressive tax rate, the top 5% of taxpayers (the 7 million wealthiest Americans, those earning over $350,000 a year) cover 60% of the program’s cost. This means that SNAP cost the remaining 95% of taxpayers just $200 a year.


But, fraud?

Critics of the SNAP program put a lot of effort into the idea that fraud is rampant. Usually they claim that benefits are being sold, or that, in the words of one Missouri state senator, people are “purchasing filet mignons and crab legs.”

An analysis done by Forbes Magazine, however, showed that this kind of fraud is highly uncommon, putting the rate of fraud in SNAP, based on government figures, at 0.9%.

For a government program, that is as close to nothing as you’re going to get, and compared to other government programs it is an exemplary level of integrity. Take defense for instance: An internal Pentagon report identified $25 billion a year that could be saved by the Department of Defense simply by eliminating waste.

Part of the reason that fraud is so low is that the government has been extremely thorough in prosecuting both stores and individuals who even attempt fraud. But the way SNAP works is part of it too – benefits come on electronic EBT cards with individual pin numbers, which are a real disincentive to even trying to sell benefits.


I find it incredibly difficult to get worked up about this program when our federal government decided to pump $4T into an Iraq war that has resulted in few, if any, tangible benefits for the American taxpayer. What does this mean for the Conservative posters on this forum that won't read this post because their brains are too dim and distracted once they see it exceeded a few lines? Well, maybe I can put it into context.

The ultra-rich have as much as $32 trillion hidden away in offshore accounts to avoid taxes.

As a way to understand the magnitude of the number 32 trillion (32,000,000,000,000), let's use time as an example:

One million seconds is only 12 days.

One billion seconds is 31 years.

One trillion is over 31,250 years.

So, sure we're spending a lot of seconds on SNAP, but we're also running hundreds of thousands of trillions of seconds in federal debt a year.

Where I do agree with ajax is that we need to find a balance between genuine charity, pragmatism, and not killing a man's spirit through kindness. People who receive money become enslaved to it. People who earn money generally grow in spirit. That said, I don't know what the numbers are vis a vis people who use assistance on a temporary basis versus those who finagle their way into permanent subsistence via social security, medicaid, EBT, section 8 and the like. Whatever the case may be, I'd rather help our own out versus throwing trillions are BS wars. That's for sure.

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