Will a Man Rob God?

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Re: Will a Man Rob God?

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iwanttotalk wrote:
So they made Him a supper there, and Martha was serving; but Lazarus was one of those reclining at the table with Him. 3Mary then took a pound of very costly perfume of pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped His feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. 4But Judas Iscariot, one of His disciples, who was intending to betray Him, said, 5“Why was this perfume not sold for three hundred denarii and given to poor people?” 6Now he said this, not because he was concerned about the poor, but because he was a thief, and as he had the money box, he used to pilfer what was put into it. 7Therefore Jesus said, “Let her alone, so that she may keep it for the day of My burial. 8“For you always have the poor with you, but you do not always have Me.”


Thanks again for abusing scripture to gin up a semblance of “evidence” to support a bad argument. Judas Iscariot, as the text clearly shows, is speaking in bad faith. Jesus is depicted as knowing Judas’s heart and responding according to the reality of the specific circumstances of these events. In no way can this be construed as a general principle whereby anointing a person with expensive perfume is more important than feeding the poor. That is an absurd reading of the text. Rather the hypocritically puritanical demand that no one ever spend what could be given to the poor on *anything* other than the poor is transparent in its mockery of true righteousness, as Jesus shows.

The fact that the poor are always with us is not presented as an excuse not to help them as God has commanded.
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Re: Will a Man Rob God?

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One might say that, because Prophet Nelson does not use the tithing to benefit the people and do good works, he is The Man Robbing God. :wink:
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iwanttotalk wrote:Men are no brought to god and therefore freed by wealth. Nor are they by the alleviation of suffering.

I have no idea what these two sentences are supposed to mean.
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Recommended sources to learn more?

Lots of online commentary. A convenient source accessible through Google Books is chapter 12 of Russell Earl Kelly’s Should the Church Teach Tithing?.
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Morley wrote:Thank you for taking the time and making the effort to compose this, Reverend.

Nicely said.


Thank you, Morley!
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Maksutov wrote:One might say that, because Prophet Nelson does not use the tithing to benefit the people and do good works, he is The Man Robbing God. :wink:


I think this is true, unfortunately. I would not call him a Eliashib, partly because I don’t know enough about the details of either the ancient or modern situations, but he is open to criticism for arguably having the wrong priorities in his stewardship over the wealth of a church that bears the name of Jesus, as he insists on emphasizing repeatedly.
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Most excellent posting my Dear Kish..... am of a persuasion to rather than give my money to a now gongrogous corporation with hundreds of billions of dollars, to give more to the poor directly as I encounter them where and when I KNOW where the money goes because I get to see where it goes instead of more into a gargantuan coffer which needs no more filling. Will a God's church rob the people is the counterpoint to the Mormon misuse of Malachi. The answer is, yes it will, in the Last Days preparing for the mythological Second Coming God's Church will surely hoard whilst people suffer. This gives all the other chosen people who are not in the church to give freely without guilt directly to those they know it will truly help, therefore it has a blessing side to it.
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If you are going to use scripture in an attempt to make some kind of a point, it's helpful to read the whole portion that you posted. I'll pump up the part that you missed. Because the reason that Jesus responded the way he did is right there in front of your face.

Because you don't read. Nor do you want to talk. You simply want to make noise.


iwanttotalk wrote:
So they made Him a supper there, and Martha was serving; but Lazarus was one of those reclining at the table with Him. 3Mary then took a pound of very costly perfume of pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped His feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. 4But Judas Iscariot, one of His disciples, who was intending to betray Him, said, 5“Why was this perfume not sold for three hundred denarii and given to poor people?” 6Now he said this, not because he was concerned about the poor, but because he was a thief, and as he had the money box, he used to pilfer what was put into it. 7 Therefore Jesus said, “Let her alone, so that she may keep it for the day of My burial. 8“For you always have the poor with you, but you do not always have Me.”


Reading. It's a thing.

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Philo Sofee wrote:Most excellent posting my Dear Kish..... am of a persuasion to rather than give my money to a now gongrogous corporation with hundreds of billions of dollars, to give more to the poor directly as I encounter them where and when I KNOW where the money goes because I get to see where it goes instead of more into a gargantuan coffer which needs no more filling. Will a God's church rob the people is the counterpoint to the Mormon misuse of Malachi. The answer is, yes it will, in the Last Days preparing for the mythological Second Coming God's Church will surely hoard whilst people suffer. This gives all the other chosen people who are not in the church to give freely without guilt directly to those they know it will truly help, therefore it has a blessing side to it.


I think you are doing a good thing, Philo. You are following the spirit and letter of a Jesus’ message. When you help the poor, you are serving God. It is as simple as that. There is no need for a church to stand in the middle of this relationship. A church that emphasizes its relationship with Christ and bears the name of Jesus ought to do what Jesus commanded, however, and so it opens itself to just criticism to the extent that it falls short. in my opinion, the LDS Church falls very short.
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Thank you, Reverend, for correcting this transparent lie.
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