Gadianton wrote:Exiled: "Here is the thing, Dr. Midgley, the old guard wasn't reinstated or invited back after 2012. If the brethren are so enamored with the way you don't allow "slam dunks" supposedly, why aren't you back at the MI?
Proprietor: "You know far, far less about this than you think you do, Self-Exiled. Here's a hint: Don't believe everything you read about the matter on the Malevolent Stalker Board."
Wait, hold the phones. Is he saying we are mistaken and the Old Guard HAS been put back into power at the MI?
I think what DCP means is that he's been given the "green light" from the Brethren to engage in smears and hit pieces via Interpreter. So, in his mind, they still *are" preventing "uncontested slam-dunks," with the GAs' approval. Sure: they're not back at the MI, but some apostle or another has told them to "keep up the good work" with Interpreter, which, naturally, they take as permission to go "nuclear." Don't forget that Midgley recently revealed that one of the Apostles asked him when they were going to "target" Denver Snuffer.
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
Why in the world are The BrethrenTM so obsessed with Denver Snuffer?
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Why in the world are The BrethrenTM so obsessed with Denver Snuffer?
- Doc
He claims what they wish they could claim without appearing like loons .... and enough of the members love what Snuffer claims to make him a possible force/competitor. Power always looks to "snuff" out challengers, however small, once a big enough following exists. Churchill wished he could have killed communism in its cradle.
"Religion is about providing human community in the guise of solving problems that don’t exist or failing to solve problems that do and seeking to reconcile these contradictions and conceal the failures in bogus explanations otherwise known as theology." - Kishkumen
Dan has mentioned that he also has maintained in his own files a detailed contemporary record of what actually took place during The Purge in 2012. I did as well.
To give the FAKE professors and doctors some idea of at least a portion of what is or soon will be in the BYU Special Collections, they should have a close look at the following:
One thing that happened soon after the Purge involved Elder Boyd Packer, who was the last Apostle to visit with Elder Maxwell before he passed away. And Elder Packer promised Elder Maxwell that while he remained alive that he would try hard to prevent FARMS from morphing into something different from what it then was.
Hence soon after the Purge, Elder Packer asked--well, ordered--Greg Smith, Dan Peterson and me to provide evidence of (1) who exactly was responsible for the Purge, (2) an account of how this took place, and (3) recommendations for how to fix the problem. I believe that I was assigned #3.
We received this request, if I remember correctly, late Saturday evening. I spent that Sunday working on my assignment. We were also told that we should provide the necessary supporting textual evidence.
All of this either is now or soon will be in the Church Archive in Salt Lake, or the BYU Special Collections.
I wonder if Jerry Bradford had files, and, if he did , has he donated them to Special Collections.
Why would BYU or the LDS church consider a simple change in administration something important enough to archive at the BYU Special Collections or the Church Archive; as in all the back and forths through email and what have you? I genuinely don't know if this is a routine thing done at academic institutions, hence my question.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Rosebud wrote:Let it happen, Res. The future will tell the story.
The future will tell nothing.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
Dan has mentioned that he also has maintained in his own files a detailed contemporary record of what actually took place during The Purge in 2012. I did as well.
To give the FAKE professors and doctors some idea of at least a portion of what is or soon will be in the BYU Special Collections, they should have a close look at the following:
One thing that happened soon after the Purge involved Elder Boyd Packer, who was the last Apostle to visit with Elder Maxwell before he passed away. And Elder Packer promised Elder Maxwell that while he remained alive that he would try hard to prevent FARMS from morphing into something different from what it then was.
Hence soon after the Purge, Elder Packer asked--well, ordered--Greg Smith, Dan Peterson and me to provide evidence of (1) who exactly was responsible for the Purge, (2) an account of how this took place, and (3) recommendations for how to fix the problem. I believe that I was assigned #3.
We received this request, if I remember correctly, late Saturday evening. I spent that Sunday working on my assignment. We were also told that we should provide the necessary supporting textual evidence.
All of this either is now or soon will be in the Church Archive in Salt Lake, or the BYU Special Collections.
I wonder if Jerry Bradford had files, and, if he did , has he donated them to Special Collections.
Rosebud wrote:Let it happen, Res. The future will tell the story.
The future will tell nothing.
So the only place you’ll ever have to get an answer is what I post on a relatively unknown message board on the back side of the Internet?
It’ll either happen or it won’t. It’ll work or it won’t. Those things are left up to the future. The future will tell.
I have no plans to -tell- you about it here. I’d rather -show- anyone interested as it transpires. I’ll -show- you elsewhere.
You know, “show don’t tell.”
The future will show.
I’ve spent my life watching/experiencing events transpire that move me forward on a particular path. And yes, that means my -whole- life, not what I’ve posted about here. Don’t ask me how or why my experiences move me forward in a particular direction. I don’t know. Most likely I’m fixated on one certain trajectory because of early childhood experiences. People who are more spiritually minded than me might say something like “it’s coming together as it was meant to happen.”
I personally don’t care. I’m pissed and I’m not going to let it go.
Dan has mentioned that he also has maintained in his own files a detailed contemporary record of what actually took place during The Purge in 2012. I did as well.
To give the FAKE professors and doctors some idea of at least a portion of what is or soon will be in the BYU Special Collections, they should have a close look at the following:
One thing that happened soon after the Purge involved Elder Boyd Packer, who was the last Apostle to visit with Elder Maxwell before he passed away. And Elder Packer promised Elder Maxwell that while he remained alive that he would try hard to prevent FARMS from morphing into something different from what it then was.
Hence soon after the Purge, Elder Packer asked--well, ordered--Greg Smith, Dan Peterson and me to provide evidence of (1) who exactly was responsible for the Purge, (2) an account of how this took place, and (3) recommendations for how to fix the problem. I believe that I was assigned #3.
We received this request, if I remember correctly, late Saturday evening. I spent that Sunday working on my assignment. We were also told that we should provide the necessary supporting textual evidence.
All of this either is now or soon will be in the Church Archive in Salt Lake, or the BYU Special Collections.
I wonder if Jerry Bradford had files, and, if he did , has he donated them to Special Collections.
Something tells me Midgley is conflating this meeting demanded by Packer in his latest story with his tale last year about a similar meeting with higher ups. As reported by Doctor Scratch a year ago:
My God, this thing is really blowing up. This comment was posted to Dr. Peterson's most recent entry, and I predict he (DCP) will either ignore it or delete it:
Jon wrote:Dr. Peterson, I would appreciate your comment on some statements recently made by Dr. Midgley:
1. Dr. Midgley: "The fact is that Professor Peterson was invited by Elder Quentin Cook, an Apostle yet, to join him and five crucial Seventies, and Scott Gordon and Laura and Brian Hales to prepare a proposal that was eventually presented to the Area Committee, which consist of the Twelve Apostles, and by the Seventy who are currently assigned in Salt Lake, on how best to replace the Maxwell Institute as an agency to defend the Church of Jesus Christ from its critics, including those critics who might still be nominal members of the Church. This group met three times to carefully prepare a proposal for the consideration of the Twelve Apostles. And Professor Peterson delivered their recommendations to a meeting of the Area Committee. Those proposals were well received and many of them have already been implemented."
Dr. Midgley: "I have been told that Elder Cook told that committee not to even mention the Maxwell Institute. The reason he gave is the Brethren had given up on it."
Dr. Peterson, were you invited by Elder Cook to help prepare a proposal "on how best to replace the Maxwell Institute as an agency to defend the Church of Jesus Christ from its critics, including those critics who might still be nominal members of the Church"? If so, what recommendations did you deliver to the meeting of the Area Committee and which recommendations have been implemented?
Dr. Peterson, have you likewise been told that Elder Cook told the committee not to mention the Maxwell Institute because church leaders "had given up on it"?
2. Dr. Midgley: "One of the proposals was that the Brethren ought to officially endorse the Interpreter Foundation, Book of Mormon Central and FAIR reliable sources of information. That has been done. Then, instead of using tithing money to finance the defense of the faith and the Saints, it was proposed, and accepted, that the Brethren establish an agency to seek donations to help finance Interpreter, Book of Mormon Central and FAIR. This agency is now operating; it is called Mormon Voices."
Dr. Midgley: "I urge you to keep an eye on the annual report that the Maxwell Institute make each year in January. Then you can have a look at what he had to say to and about the Maxwell Institute, including a good idea of what the outside assessment that was made by three outstanding scholars had to say about the drift that has taken place since the purge that immediately led to the founding of the Interpreter Foundation, and then eventually to the endorsement of FAIR, Book of Mormon Central and the Interpreter Foundation and more recently to the creation by the Brethren, after careful consideration, of a coordinating agency to oversee the work of those three independent agencies, and also to raise and disburse funds to help support their endeavors."
Dr. Peterson, is it true that Mormon Voices is an agency that was "establish[ed]" by church leaders? If so, does Mormon Voices operate with church funds and is it operated, in whole or in part, by church employees? In what ways does the Mormon Voices "oversee the work" (to use Dr. Midgley's words) of the Interpreter Foundation? Does the Interpreter Foundation receive funding, or has it received funding, from the church? Does the church exercise any type of editorial oversight/control with regard to the Interpreter Foundation's publications?
3. "[W]hat President Samuelson did not know is that one of the Brethren--Elder Packer, for any who are interested, urged us to have Gregory Smith write that essay. And I have it reviewed by several of the Brethren by sending a copy to Elder Bruce Porter, who had constant contact with the Apostles. He was in charge of all the Apostolic committees, including the Area Committee. And I also sent a copy to the secretary to the Strengthening the Church Members Committee so that the Seventies who constitute that committee comment on it."
Dr. Peterson, is it true that you, as editor of the FARMS Review/Mormon Studies Review, were urged by Elder Packer to invite Gregory Smith to write the Dehlin review essay? If so, how did Elder Packer communicate his wish? Did you, as editor of the FARMS Review/Mormon Studies Review, ask Dr. Smith to write the essay? Did you have the essay reviewed by several church leaders? Did you receive comments on the essay from any Seventies?
