Dantana wrote:63 million Americans voted for Trump in 2016. I'd say the partisans, racists, xenophobes and SS's asshole group are an insignificant % of that.
The other day, I walked outside my place and saw a guy wearing a shirt like this:
So this is a thing, just in case there was any doubt.
I think there are way more whiny Trump voters than you're crediting.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
ajax18 wrote:President Trump has helped create the superior economy you enjoy right now.
Each time you say something like that your nose grows a bit longer.
In a limited sense, it's not wrong. If, by that one also imagines that a household maxing out their credit cards and a third mortgage is living a superior lifestyle to a household managing their debt-to-income ratio and building long-term, sustainable wealth.
There are a lot of people with this type of myopia, unable to understand that consequences follow actions rather than behave like instant karma. One has to remember that an surprisingly large percentage of the population viewed the great recession starting as Obama took office to be Obama's fault.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Dantana wrote:63 million Americans voted for Trump in 2016. I'd say the partisans, racists, xenophobes and SS's asshole group are an insignificant % of that.
The other day, I walked outside my place and saw a guy wearing a shirt like this:
So this is a thing, just in case there was any doubt.
I think there are way more whiny Trump voters than you're crediting.
I was raised, and raised my four boys rural. Pacific N.W. Land of 10,000 mini farms. 30 minutes to the Safeway, 10 mins to the little - one market, one tavern town. I/we land in the middle of the spectrum between hobby farmer and commercial cattleman. My field of acquaintances is commercial rancher/farmers, upper class city flee-ers, dead beat son mom's back yard camper live-ers, professional rodeo cowboys, Friends of my 29 - 35 year old sons...include guns and 4x4s maniacs to couch sitting C.O.D. players. Whether here for a lifetime or newly come, eventually they all become borg. It's almost cultlike. Witness - 'Farmers Only dot com'.
The numbers - 9 out of 10 will claim Christian affiliation. 8 out of 10 will seldom attend church. 8 out of 10 will chuckle at a racist joke. 6 out of that 8 will then later complain to their spouse about the telling. 7 out of 10 have less than 2 years higher education. 9 out of 10 consider themselves conservative republicans. 8 out of 10 think Trump is good for the country. 7 out of 10 do not qualify for SS's category of ignorant, racist, Trump thumping assholes.
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honorentheos wrote:In a limited sense, it's not wrong. If, by that one also imagines that a household maxing out their credit cards and a third mortgage is living a superior lifestyle to a household managing their debt-to-income ratio and building long-term, sustainable wealth.
There are a lot of people with this type of myopia, unable to understand that consequences follow actions rather than behave like instant karma. One has to remember that an surprisingly large percentage of the population viewed the great recession starting as Obama took office to be Obama's fault.
The evidence that Trump tax cuts contributed to economic growth is rather scant. Its advocates' promised effects in the run up to those certainly have not materialized. What its critics said would happen, on the other hand, has. If those policies had an positive impact on growth, it's a small % of overall GDP growth that likely has been at least partially counterbalanced if not subsumed by Trump policies that are known to have had a minor negative impact on growth (i.e. trade wars & gov shutdown). Ajax's post is even worse than this. He's just crediting Trump for lucking into economic circumstances he inherited. The very same ones that he felt were dire when a black Democrat was President.
Economic indicators have been deccelerating for a bit and there mounting evidence we are in for a recession in a year or two. If Trump wins reelection and this happens, I'll put the odds that Ajax blames Trump for this at less than zero %. If a Democrat wins, the odds that he'll blame it on that person I'll put at north of 100%.
It's embarrassing to treat the President like they're a Fischer King, but it's even worse when it's done with partisan hypocrisy. If you're a significant shareholder, then yes Trump/Congressional Republicans have likely made your personal financial situation better, at least in the short term. But Trump is not responsible for the general economic growth patterns he inherited from the Obama years.
