Morgan Davis and the "Plot" to Destroy FARMS

[_moksha]

And since I’m generally not on the same subject as the other posters in any thread because I’m making recordings and observing conversations, ...

Sort of like Santa in compiling a dossier of everyone who is naughty and nice to sue for various toys and lumps of coal.

[_Res Ipsa]

Would you be willing to share the chronology you’ve constructed?

[_Rosebud]

I am having a hard time connecting the dots between Rosebud's posts and the actual conversation going on. I am sure it is just me.

My posts aren't part of the conversation. I'm not going to comment on the Maxwell Institute and 2012 any more than I already have.

The people on this board love speculating about this pet topic. I'm not interested in their speculations and couldn't care less about the Maxwell Institute aside from the way the disruptions of 2012 affected Mormonism, ex-Mormonism me, my work and my objectives.

I don't give a dang which apostle or general authority who thinks himself very important did what to whom, etc. etc. etc. To me that's a snoozer of a topic. It's obvious that Mormonism is false and that a bunch of people raised in a difficult culture are trying to figure out how to navigate life and belief. It's obvious that Mormons and ex-Mormons have serious authority and charismatic figure issues. I suppose I could write a paper on those topics if I were really interested, but if I did, I wouldn't share it here. (And I personally have other things I'd prefer to write about.)

What I want is for Mormons and ex-Mormon to stop bickering about nonsense and take care of real problems. I'm pissed about things that matter and am not going to debate which powerful Mormon male's pride got hurt and why. Who cares? Let the historians take care of it once they have more documents in their hands. When somebody does an honest and thorough job of addressing this topic, I'll be interested. Until then, I"m out.

And this board is the wrong place for me to really address my pet topics. I'll address them in more appropriate venues.

[_Rosebud]

Would you be willing to share the chronology you’ve constructed?

My own chronology would only contain the information I personally have and I haven't taken the time to create one that's sufficient. A good chronology has to be compiled by someone who gathers documents from several sources, does interviews (preferably recorded and preferably done by someone trained in interview techniques), considers all perspectives, etc. It's a bigger job than I am going to take on, because.... well... this isn't my focus. I have no desire to become a historian of 2012 in Mormonism. And that wouldn't be appropriate. It would be more appropriate for me to write a memoir than a history piece.

I am not going to share any more documents. If/when a real historian decides to take this on, they can call me and we'll discuss. I don't think it's time to do the project yet, for what it's worth. But who knows. My Maxwell Institute documents are limited to email conversations and emails that were forwarded to me in 2012. Oh... and it came up in legal negotiations between me and John in the summer of 2014 so there are probably some documents that mention the hit piece in that legal file.

I am not going to start combing through documents to find things and I think they'd mostly be boring. They'd confirm dates, possibly give historians new leads to chase, etc. I don't know. Lots happened that didn't go through email.

To me the story is much bigger than the hit piece and the Maxwell Institute because that was only one piece of what happened in 2012. The hit piece plays a role from my perspective, but it is not central to the story.

Anyway... I'm done.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I am sharing strategies I think people who require evidence in order to be convinced of the truth of an important subject could use in order to discover that truth.

Wait. What strategies have you shared for sleuthers? Like. What’s a good couple of strategies you’ve shared?

- Doc

[_Res Ipsa]

I am sharing strategies I think people who require evidence in order to be convinced of the truth of an important subject could use in order to discover that truth.

Wait. What strategies have you shared for sleuthers? Like. What’s a good couple of strategies you’ve shared?

- Doc

Strategy 1:

1. Get a history degree.

2. Become a historian.

3. Convince Rosebud that you are committed to researching and compiling a historical account of 2012.

4. Interview Rosebud and review her documents. Unless she’s busy. Or not interested.

Strategy 2:

1. Read and monitor court filings in hundreds of jurisdictions for cases that have to do with Mormon stuff.

2. Make your own damn chronology, even though you won’t have the key information that Rosebud has.

[_Rosebud]

Strategy 3 for Res:

Realize that you’re an anonymous poster on a message board, that you have no inherent right to information, and that Rosebud has a different set of objectives than you. Remember that Rosebud is stubborn and is going to do things her own way no matter what you do or say. Remember that Rosebud has already told you to wait for the future to happen and that she is going to show you what is important to her, if you’re interested, rather than tell you.

Remember that not everyone is a historian and not everyone needs to be a historian for historians to do their work and for people to get answers. Remember that when serious historians get involved and examine real evidence, people won’t have to rely on the loud mouths (Lou, Dan and John) to tell the story. Remember that not everybody is a loud mouth who wants to shove their own version of events down other people’s throats. Remember that some people would like a professional and thorough job done and would like all sides to be heard, not just their own.

Remember that there are things that are far more important than the dissolution of an institute that bears an “important” man’s name. I tend to think that the most important people in the world are children, not men who have other men fawning over them. I have my own, more important, things to address and tend to.

Patience.

[_Lemmie]

Strategy 3 for Res:

Realize that you’re an anonymous poster on a message board, that you have no inherent right to information, and that Rosebud has a different set of objectives than you. Remember that Rosebud is stubborn and is going to do things her own way no matter what you do or say. Remember that Rosebud has already told you to wait for the future to happen and that she is going to show you what is important to her, if you’re interested, rather than tell you.

Remember that not everyone is a historian and not everyone needs to be a historian for historians to do their work and for people to get answers. Remember that when serious historians get involved and examine real evidence, people won’t have to rely on the loud mouths (Lou, Dan and John) to tell the story. Remember that not everybody is a loud mouth who wants to shove their own version of events down other people’s throats. Remember that some people would like a professional and thorough job done and would like all sides to be heard, not just their own.

Remember that there are things that are far more important than the dissolution of an institute that bears an “important” man’s name. I tend to think that the most important people in the world are children, not men who have other men fawning over them. I have my own, more important, things to address and tend to.

Patience.

Narcissist, thy name is Rosebud.

[_Res Ipsa]

Good-bye, Rosebud. I hope you find whatever it is that will bring you peace.

[_Rosebud]

Good-bye, Rosebud. I hope you find whatever it is that will bring you peace.

Thank you. I believe I will. It is much better to be powerful and taking action than to be powerless and at the whims of those who want to hurt you.

And to best to you, Res. Although anonymously demanding what you want from someone you don't know who has never personally offended you and who has no obligations towards you is a dick thing to do. And it's a dick thing to be upset with someone for not giving you what you want because they have their own reasons.