Shut the “F” Up, Hillary

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Re: Shut the ____ Up, Hillary

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Markk wrote:
canpakes wrote:I love how often my Republican friends and family always say this, about any Democratic Party candidate. Because, we saw how the economy turned into a dumpster fire for 8 years after Obama was elected, and the stock market didn’t rise above 9000. Not until January 20, 2017, apparently.


I didn't say any candidate, I said Sanders or Warren, The stock market is about folks having confidence in corporations and investing in them. Sanders and Warren will declare war on wall street, and investors will put their money else where.

Obama knew this, and kept low confidence levels at bay.

You act as if either Sanders or Warren - if they were to be elected - could simply wave their hands and make these dire policies instantly appear and be enforced. You know that the system doesn’t work that way, and that it’s not going to happen, because Congress and Courts and Stuff and Reality, and inertia, along with lots and lots of cash in the system that carries influence is what maintains a certain level of status quo.

You’re even admitting that the last Democratic President caused no such chaos. Instead, the market soared during that Administration’s tenure - partly because markets tend to rebound anyway, but the takeaway is that the market’s recovery was consistent and relentless. In contrast, there’s ample evidence that the sort of looser control over markets and business in general, as favored by Republican fiscal policy, may have a better chance of fostering the kinds of bubbles that can end up being problematic.

If you believe that people are going to invest in companies if a candidate gets in that is going to make it much harder for them to make a profit, fine, but I certainly believe otherwise.

OK. Let me know what you’ll be moving your 401k dollars into if Warren or Sanders is elected. ; )
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Re: Shut the ____ Up, Hillary

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Some Schmo wrote:It won't be an instant depression. That's crazy talk. Anything they want to do will have to pass congress first.


huh? see my last post to canpakes. The lifeblood of Wallstreet is confidence, and if you think that folks are going to invest in corporations that a president promises to dismantle.. then I don't think you understand the basic heartbeat of capitalism and greed. People are going to invest in things that produce profits, and people are greedy and care about their money, and will not take chances/gamble on something with a large potentiate to fail.

Uncertainty is bad, confidence is good...

Why would people invest into a entity or buisness that folks like sanders and Warren despise and promise to dismantle and take their profits away from them?



Schmo wrote...
I disagree. He ran and said things before he was elected that disqualified him for office, but the right didn't care and insisted on putting their lame ____ slug into office.

It's not the Democrats' fault the right picked a crook.


It is 100% politics, it is not a trial...if crack up watch the impeachment when shift says over and over again he wants a "fair trial" by having more witnesses. A fail trial would demand that the jury be bias, yet the just here is made up of people on record that hate the defendant, and call him out on TV after each session of the "trial." Heck even some of the jury members are running against him and campaign that he is guilty and dirty. LOL...it wiuld be like having you, Doc and KG on the jury. Or how about Paul sitting on a jury about the Book of Abraham.

It is a political game about power, the next election, and is just a joke and waiting out money and their time...but while it is happening the president is getting more stuff done, so in that sense it is good I suppose.

Fair trial ...LOL over and over.




Schmo wrote...
Oh, I definitely knew about that. He was highly criticized for it too.


Okay, then corruption in the Ukraine was being investigated before Biden committed to running...which erases at least one major accusation against the president.



And everything thrown his way is 100% justified. Only right-wingers refuse to see that.
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No, hes a a-hole in a lot of ways...but has not committed a impeachable offense. I was pointing out the lefts scandal after scandal that fall time after time...
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Re: Shut the ____ Up, Hillary

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Markk wrote:... if you think that folks are going to invest in corporations that a president promises to dismantle..

It would be interesting if you would provide a list of corporations that Warren and Sanders have promised to dismantle.
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Re: Shut the ____ Up, Hillary

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honorentheos wrote:I don't think it was a good question. Had Markk been reading my posts he would have picked up on the belief I hold that the Democratic party is at historic levels of diversity as moderates and progressives argue for the heart of the party. There isn't a goal. Nor does the GOP have "a" goal.

It was on par with Ben Stiller asking, "But why male models?" after David Duchovney just explained the villianous plot in Zoolander while answering the exact same question.

Politics doesn't distill into such convenient dichotomies so it calls into question what level of discussion is taking place? And is my time really of such little value...


It's funny you determine I have to accept you opinion...and when I disagree you accuse me of not reading your post.

The question is what is the goal of the party? Again I have to understand what their goal is, accept for getting Trump out at all costs, and maybe getting Bernie out also. I have seen promises of handing out free stuff, but most here are ducking my question. At least Schmo is honest and basically said he does not care as long as Trump is out.

I could use Zoolander as a example also, the left seems to have a Mugatu in the mind of many Democrats..."Get Trump out, get Trump out, Get Trump out.....and adam shiff is your DJ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHLPT-T_Rpc

LOL we can have some fun with Zoolander for sure.

But I just want to say to you, in my best shiff inpersination, with my bug eyes.."Relax! Trump's is evil, Trump's is evil, Trump is evil...relax, relax, relax "
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Re: Shut the ____ Up, Hillary

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canpakes wrote:
Markk wrote:... if you think that folks are going to invest in corporations that a president promises to dismantle..

It would be interesting if you would provide a list of corporations that Warren and Sanders have promised to dismantle.


Wall street will do...do you even follow what they are saying?

Google it...I just did here is my first few hit...

https://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Bern ... ations.htm

https://splinternews.com/15-things-bern ... 1793853930

I didn't read it all, got to run, but I want to get into this more...what kind of confidence do you think Warren and Sanders will give towards investors?
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Re: Shut the ____ Up, Hillary

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Markk:

Did you read the piece I posted about the well-established and successful German institution of worker's representation on company boards?

Having done so, would you agree with me that it is unwise to post at length about what a disaster such representation would be without looking at actual functioning examples of such representation in highly successful manufacturing economies like that of Germany?
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Re: Shut the ____ Up, Hillary

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Markk wrote:
huh? see my last post to canpakes. The lifeblood of Wallstreet is confidence, and if you think that folks are going to invest in corporations that a president promises to dismantle.. then I don't think you understand the basic heartbeat of capitalism and greed. People are going to invest in things that produce profits, and people are greedy and care about their money, and will not take chances/gamble on something with a large potentiate to fail.

Uncertainty is bad, confidence is good...

Why would people invest into a entity or buisness that folks like sanders and Warren despise and promise to dismantle and take their profits away from them?



Business investment has fallen for the last 3 quarters. Full year GDP posted today for 2019 is 2.3.%, the lowest since 2016. We've just had five straight months of contracted manufacturing, a trend that looks to continue through 2020.

So, modest economic growth, contracted manufacturing and falling business investment. This is despite a record increase in the national debt, three rate cuts and a return to QE.


Why aren't people investing into an 'entity or business' if everyone is currently so confident?
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Re: Shut the ____ Up, Hillary

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I haven't read everything here yet...but just wanted to say as a lifelong democrat and trying to find someone worth a hoot in this party...I still say to Hillary...Lock Her Up...I think she is evil and doesn't represent the party, women's worth or anything good.
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Re: Shut the ____ Up, Hillary

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Markk wrote:
canpakes wrote:It would be interesting if you would provide a list of corporations that Warren and Sanders have promised to dismantle.


Wall street will do...do you even follow what they are saying?

Google it...I just did here is my first few hit...

https://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Bern ... ations.htm

https://splinternews.com/15-things-bern ... 1793853930

I didn't read it all, got to run, but I want to get into this more...what kind of confidence do you think Warren and Sanders will give towards investors?

You should read them; they’re fun articles. But neither one answers the question that I asked regarding your generalized claim of ‘dismantling corporations’ past Bernie’s (neither mentions Warren) consistent chatter about breaking up banks that are “too big to fail”. That’s a pretty specific and small slice of Corporate America. And it’s not like this hasn’t been proposed before by any number of other politicians, with those claimed intentions being subject to the realities that I listed earlier. How are we doing so far with this?

No-one is going to divest their portfolio of financial institutions under that threat. Especially given your own assessment of folks being generally greedy; the appetite for capital will still be there and someone will be around to feed it, whether that’s going to be 6 or so larger banks or three dozen smaller banks that were the children of bank breakups. The fund managers and big money investors just see that scenario as opportunity.
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Re: Shut the ____ Up, Hillary

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Why would people invest into a entity or buisness that folks like sanders and Warren despise and promise to dismantle and take their profits away from them?


You wouldn't. Instead you'd invest in other companies that look to benefit from their administrations. This isn't rocket science. Take your money out of fossil fuel industries and dump it into companies like Tesla.
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