Sanders wins Iowa

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Re: Sanders wins Iowa

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EAllusion wrote:So, by "caucuses" you mean "one caucus?"


Look up the 2016 polls and results. See Minnesota for example.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll ... -3585.html

EAllusion wrote: And you think that a real clear politics polling average error in one direction can simply be added in the opposite direction in a completely different election with different candidates?


The fact that Emerson (margin of error of +/- 3.3%), DFP/Civiqs, and the New York Times had Sanders winning by 7 percentage points meant that there was a decent chance for Sanders to win by double digits.
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Buttigieg and Klobuchar as the Democratic ticket?


I would vote for that ticket.
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Brackite wrote:
Buttigieg and Klobuchar as the Democratic ticket?


I would vote for that ticket.

I would be happy with that ticket. I'm not sure it would be my favorite choice, but it is one of several possible pairings that I think would be very good.
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Lol. Biden just called a young woman a "lying dog-faced pony soldier."

I'm so ready to get the field down to three or four actually viable candidates. Klobuchar, Mayor Pete, Bloomberg, and Sanders. Although I suspect Bloomberg will secure the nom over Sanders.

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Fivethirtyeight has the odds currently as Sanders having a 2 in 5 chance of winning a majority followed by 1 in 4 odds it goes to a second ballot. So.
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Buttigieg sure feels like this cycle's 2008 Obama.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Lol. Biden just called a young woman a "lying dog-faced pony soldier." ...


Goodness, so he did:

https://news.sky.com/story/joe-biden-ca ... y-11930671

Apparently because she asked about his performance in Iowa. He asked if she had been to a caucus, she said yes, he said ... that.

It was supposedly a version of a quote from a John Wayne film. But hardly a great way to get the public on his side, I'd say.
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Your link contains two polls. One is a month and a half before the primary and the other is 7 months before the primary. Obviously, national conditions changed in between when those polls were taken and when the MN election happened. It is misleading to say this compares to a density of polling taking right before the election.

The fact that Emerson (margin of error of +/- 3.3%), DFP/Civiqs, and the New York Times had Sanders winning by 7 percentage points meant that there was a decent chance for Sanders to win by double digits.

Just say you posted what you wanted to happen in advance.
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Some Schmo wrote:Buttigieg sure feels like this cycle's 2008 Obama.

How so? He's similar in that he's the youngish candidate with relative lack of experience. He also stakes out similar policy ground to Obama. But he's unlike Obama in some important ways as well. He's a platitude bot because his campaign is extremely carefully stage managed, and he's thus far displayed nothing resembling Obama's ability to write and deliver a rousing speech. Obama gave a couple of profoundly good speeches early into the primary that really set him up well. Up to this point, Buttigieg also has virtually zero support among minorities and borders on being actively disliked in the black community as far as a Democrat goes. This differs significantly from Obama. His winning primary coalition was white progressives and racial minorities.
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Up to this point, Buttigieg also has virtually zero support among minorities and borders on being actively disliked in the black community as far as a Democrat goes.

The black community might feel they are better off with someone like Trump who hates them and who supports white nationalism which will harm them.
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