Lessons for 2020 from 2012

[_honorentheos]

I'd really like to get the reading list from those two courses he describes teaching. Wow.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I'd really like to get the reading list from those two courses he describes teaching. Wow.

I was going to make a comment about the thickness of tangential references by Professor Kloppenberg, in that I totally feel inadequate when I realize just how much some people put into understanding political history, theory, and philosophy. It's simultaneously heartening to know there are people who are the bridge to human political history and disheartening to realize why we're so easily manipulated by conmen and conwomen who take advantage of our understandable ignorance. To be thoroughly versed in political thought, as this article demonstrates, really does require an extraordinary amount of time and brain power.

- Doc

[_honorentheos]

Agreed. I also appreciated that Mayor Pete put value on balancing it with practice which was another lasting impression I took from it.

[_honorentheos]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... gYNnb6GQ6Q

Found one. Warning, the link downloads a PDF.

[_Xenophon]

Good thoughts all around, honor. I think we're more an agreement than not. You offer a great reminder to me to try to keep my criticisms from entering that shallow territory, even if Trump does it make it so damn easy.

As to the other points in the article, I felt each was deserving of discussion but also wasn't intending to copy the entire thing here. I naïvely thought the subjects of interest would rise out of it with a little less promoting.

You ought to know better than that by now

The economic reframing is certainly key to the election, even more that it not descend into capitalism v. socialism, in my opinion. I think that will be too coarse, too offensive to have the value your more logical suggestion would enable.

We can certainly agree here. I'll be interested (read more as "watching anxiously) to see how the future nominee, especially if it is Sanders, can get out in front of the dichotomy. Will the media even let them or will we fall back into the 2016 habit of just regurgitating what Trump says as if it was a fact worth examining? It is certainly an uphill battle made all the more terrifying by the stakes.

[_Xenophon]

DocCam, just wanted to 3rd Morley and Honor's comments. I really enjoyed that article, thanks for sharing.

[_Some Schmo]

There is a long way to go, and you have the media on your side...

It really is remarkable to me so many people seem to believe this.

If this country's media seems left-biased, it's because the center is so right wing, they're practically touching the left from the other side.

If the media wasn't biased, every news report about Trump or the GOP would start out with something like, "Understanding that none of them can tell the truth to save their lives, and they all belong to a cult, today the GOP..."

If you're a GOP cult member, every fact is going to sound left-wing.

[_Markk]

Yes, it is terrible how late night talk shows, SNL, the Grammys- Acadamy Awards (Hollywood), CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NPR are so right wing. The only thing Right wing I know of in media, is Fox news. AM political talk radio is only because, few left wing show can draw a decent rating. .

[_Some Schmo]

Yes, it is terrible how late night talk shows, SNL, the Grammys- Acadamy Awards (Hollywood), CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NPR are so right wing. The only thing Right wing I know of in media, is Fox news. AM political talk radio is only because, few left wing show can draw a decent rating. .

There's a difference between professing to be right wing and simply acting like it. Fox is blatantly feeding the BS bubble. The rest of them are complicit by not being more forthright about it, and treating nonsensical right-wing talking points about as though they deserve serious discussion to rebut.

[_Some Schmo]

And by the way, the late night talk shows criticizing Trump are the most trustworthy sources of news in this country these days.