Bloomberg and what he brings to the mix$

[_Markk]

I wouldn't say I have *a* choice at the time, I still have 2 weeks to settle. As is true of all politicians there are things I like and dislike but I would say Bloomberg is the only candidate that I truly couldn't vote for in the primary.

Gun to my head I'd probably vote Klobuchar (it is hilarious that you criticize her blanking on Mexico's president given all of Trump's; this not even touching on the proverbial word salad that is his speech every time he goes of script) today, she aligns closest with me politically and I think she has some rock solid approaches to some really hard topics. Honorentheos has highlighted a few of those before so I'm not going to rehash it all but I especially appreciate her previous experience as a bipartisan legislator and I see her as someone that can work to build some consensus. Call me old fashioned but I still value governments that can accomplish things through the partisan walls.

I think she is showing that this probably isn't the year for her (I think Honor has said she would be his VP pick and I can definitely see that) but I'm hopeful for her political career. If I was a betting man I'd probably be buying stock in Sanders right now but it is also a long race, a lot can change between now and the convention.

I liked Amy at first also, in that I think she would destroy confidence is wall street, but after looking at here voting record she voted around 90% with Bernie, all the while taking Big Money from the lobby, which goes against the Bernie doctrine.

She was really "good" or "bad" in the ear mark era where she used her position to help here friends, including helping her old law firm get the contract to write RFP's for 1 Billion dollars worth for goverment projects.

I give Trump criticism all the time...why can't folks acknowledge that it was a big one by Amy...she had no clue, it was a huge gaff that will hurt here with some independents. And honestly most politicians are the same in my opinion, and it comes back to them getting things done to me, and that why I like Trump...he is getting things done that I care about.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

"I give Trump criticism all the time." - The Jew Hunter

[_Xenophon]

I liked Amy at first also, in that I think she would destroy confidence is wall street,

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but after looking at here voting record she voted around 90% with Bernie, all the while taking Big Money from the lobby, which goes against the Bernie doctrine.

It is 77% on legislation within this most recent congress, I'm sure that it fluctuates depending on lots of things (namely what those bills are actually about). Ideologically she sits roughly in the middle of pack for Democrats, does it truly surprise you to learn she has some voting overlap with a senator that caucuses with her party? Do you really think it is impossible to vote the same way as another person but have different views on whether you should take lobby money and what lobbys to take it from? Your criticism here reads as if you view the political spectrum as some hard and fast line with walls of separation as opposed to what it is.

She was really "good" or "bad" in the ear mark era where she used her position to help here friends, including helping her old law firm get the contract to write RFP's for 1 Billion dollars worth for goverment projects.

You'll have to expound on what you are talking about here for me to be able to tackle this one. Most of the information I've seen on earmarks from things like OpenSecrets places her roughly in the middle of the pack for distribution. Are all earmarks bad or wrong, is it not kind of her job to secure funding for her state? As to the specific claim of her law firm I'd have to see more context to take a stand on that, perhaps you can point me in the right direction.

I give Trump criticism all the time...why can't folks acknowledge that it was a big one by Amy...she had no clue, it was a huge gaff that will hurt here with some independents.

First, your criticism of Trump are generally pretty shallow and read more like shrugs than legitimate concerns about what he is doing. I get it, you like him, but don't be surprised when your condemnations ring hollow. Second, what part of "this isn't going to be the year for her" seemed like me suggesting she had it all figured out or that the comment wouldn't hurt her? Allow me to spell it out for you I guess, she looked pretty silly on that brain fart. However I find it deliciously ironic that any Trump supporter would want to discuss gaffs, speech flubs, or candidates generally sounding like an idiot (let me know when she admits to "not understanding wind").

And honestly most politicians are the same in my opinion, and it comes back to them getting things done to me, and that why I like Trump...he is getting things done that I care about.

I disagree entirely that all politicians are the same and I think that kind of blind cynicism gives rise to authoritarianism, I think we are seeing that play out right now. I understand that Trump is doing things that you like, I just don't think we are going to like the cost down road.

[_Markk]

Markk wrote..I liked Amy at first also, in that I think she would {wouldn't} destroy confidence is wall street,

Sorry typo

It is 77% on legislation within this most recent congress, I'm sure that it fluctuates depending on lots of things (namely what those bills are actually about). Ideologically she sits roughly in the middle of pack for Democrats, does it truly surprise you to learn she has some voting overlap with a senator that caucuses with her party? Do you really think it is impossible to vote the same way as another person but have different views on whether you should take lobby money and what lobbys to take it from? Your criticism here reads as if you view the political spectrum as some hard and fast line with walls of separation as opposed to what it is.

No, I just did not realize how progressive she is, I thought she was more center. I was wrong, but it is not like a followed her at all. She comes across more like a Biden 8 years ago or so, but is very progressive.

Dorsey & Whitney, and the Minnesota light rail projects...google it..

First, your criticism of Trump are generally pretty shallow and read more like shrugs than legitimate concerns about what he is doing. I get it, you like him, but don't be surprised when your condemnations ring hollow. Second, what part of "this isn't going to be the year for her" seemed like me suggesting she had it all figured out or that the comment wouldn't hurt her? Allow me to spell it out for you I guess, she looked pretty silly on that brain fart. However I find it deliciously ironic that any Trump supporter would want to discuss gaffs, speech flubs, or candidates generally sounding like an idiot (let me know when she admits to "not understanding wind").[/quote}
Like? He is maybe without a doubt the most insecure, narcissistic, asshole president we have had in my life time, worse than Bill Clinton in some ways. But that does not mean he is not a good president, has history appears to show Bill had a good run. I understand you don't like that, but he is doing very good things and you have no idea how history will unfold. You need him to fail, I get that, but I don't, I want him to succeed.

She looked more than silly, that was a big one...I can criticize both. I hear Trump say and tweet things I just shake my head and wonder what he was thinking, the most recently the Barr gate quote. My wife and I shake our heads all the time at some of the things he says.

But unfortanuntly, what is the alternative? Hillary? Hell I would vote for Doc or Schmo (but not Jersey Girl) before I would vote for her. Bernie is a communist, you can't get around that. Biden is a Moron, capital M. Warren...student loan forgiveness...give me back the monies, and sacrafices I spent on getting kids through school, then we can talk? Gabby, I liked her until she said she wanted to legalize heroin, when it is killing more americans every year that just about anything else. Pete...I don't know yet, he is good at saying nothing in a lot of words...Amy...nah. Bloomberg...he is startling to be scary for both parties. .

Honestly, and I don't know why I feel this way, and I go back and forth on it, ...but I think Romney might be the type to get the country closer together ( I know, let me have it, and I can't defend why I believe that other than I think he cares).

I disagree entirely that all politicians are the same and I think that kind of blind cynicism gives rise to authoritarianism, I think we are seeing that play out right now. I understand that Trump is doing things that you like, I just don't think we are going to like the cost down road.

Well, you can certainly show me otherwise, if you show me a honest one, I will show you either a one term-er or a ineffective no name.

As far as authoritarianism...that is what the left wants, I can't believe you said that...if we voted these folks out every 4 to 6 years...period, then we would have these millionaires honest politicians running our country.

[_EAllusion]

Long story short: I absolutely detest Bloomberg and am concerned by his presence in the 2020 field. I'm displeased, to say the least, that he seems to be proving just how easy it is to buy your way in to viability politically.

In fairness, Tom Steyer is out there not being Bloomberg. Some of his viability is because he's campaigning as a firebrand against Trump when other Democrats are not and Democrats want, above all else, someone to take on Trump.

Warren is really the only other candidate campaigning directly against Trump's corruption, but she is hurt by being perceived as a weaker general election candidate.

[_EAllusion]

Bloomberg is pretty much Trump with an IQ bump.

He's a rich authoritarian, but he's world's apart from Trump in a variety of important ways. It's easy for anyone to benefit by comparison to stupid Mussolini, but it is what it is.

[_Res Ipsa]

What he brought tonight was a wallet to a knife fight.

[_EAllusion]

Kinda sucks to watch Elizabeth Warren straight murder people and realize that what Bernie Bros imagine happens to Sanders actually happened to her.

[_moksha]

I guess you hate all Germans becasue you dislike Trump...LOL, what a tool.

One can dislike perfidy and corruption without having any bias for Germans. Trump is loaded with so many negative qualities, that the country of origin for his grandparents does not enter into any consideration.

[_Xenophon]

Dorsey & Whitney, and the Minnesota light rail projects...google it..

Yeah I've done some googling. I've seen nothing to suggest that there is anything approaching anything illicit, illegal or unethical around the deal. Surprise, one of the largest legal firms in the state got to be involved in one of the largest infrastructure projects in the state. Again, I'm seriously willing to shift my position here but I need you to back up your assertions, I won't accept vague allusions by you in an attempt to hint at a scandal. Put up or shut up cause I don't have the patience to do read, let alone discuss, another 20 pages a la the impeachment thread.

As to the rest of your post I'll maybe get to it but the bungled quotes makes it really hard to follow, if you go back and clean those up I'll try to respond to your points.