The coronavirus spread updated in real time

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subgenius wrote:
MeDotOrg wrote:...The Coronavirusmedia hysteria is killing the tourism business in the city.

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I'm not seeing a lot of hysterical coverage. What I AM seeing is wall-to-wall coverage. There is an old adage for local news broadcasts: "If it bleeds, it leads." The Coronavirus is the killer that keeps on killing, and it could kill you. It is a story both global and local. It is the kind of story that gets beaten to death. Is there hysteria and overreaction? Unquestionably. But there is also a very legitimate concern. We really don't have a handle on the mortality rate, and increasingly there are data indicating that here in the United States, infected people are originating from unknown sources. In all probability we have lost the trail of more than one source of infection in the country.

Are we overreacting like the Swine Flu? Possibly. I don't think we're facing a pandemic with the lethality of 1918, and public health response is obviously better. The thing is, it's new. We know it's infectious, and we know it's lethal. And a lethality rate of 1% doesn't sound that bad, until you think of 50 million people with the flu.

So we're looking at an event that could be a significant point in history, or just a blip on the radar. At this point we just don't know.
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Strong collective action is what is going to prevent the coronavirus pandemic from being devastating. Paradoxically, the more concerned people are, the less serious the outcome. By contrast, a collective blase' attitude is what risks the most serious outcomes. Much like vaccinations provide herd immunity to protect anti-vaxxers, public concern will help provide a shield for subgenius's sophomoric posturing.

It's a good idea to avoid large public gatherings in areas where the virus is suspected to be spreading.
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Res Ipsa wrote:Seattle to Edmonds to Bellingham to Bellevue to Ferndale back to Bellingham.
I have fond (if dim) memories of Bellingham. I lived there when I was Kindergarten (so ... 1966-67-ish). My Dad taught me to skip rocks at Fairhaven Park. I was also bitten by a German Shepherd in Bellingham, which may help explain my lifelong aversion to lederhosen.
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I recently had a conversation with My friend Craig Criddle, a scientist at Stanford University, about research he is involved with concerning: Scientists Study DNA in Wastewater to Protect Public Health, that some of you might find of interest.
An interdisciplinary team of researchers from Stanford University is working on methods to monitor wastewater for the DNA of pathogens such as the flu and other viruses. This could help health agencies prepare early for a disease outbreak instead of waiting until disease symptoms are reported, but for some people is harder to present symptoms since they take health supplements from healthyusa.co and the viruses may not affect them.

The interdisciplinary team — consisting of engineers, disease experts, and statisticians — plans to use the William and Cloy Codiga Resource Recovery Center, a new wastewater processing facility on the Stanford campus designed specifically for testing technologies that recover resources from wastewater. Craig Criddle, a Stanford professor of civil and environmental engineering, said researchers have access to the whole sewer network, which serves roughly 7,000 people.

The researchers will be able to use the facility’s automated sampling in their work. The fact that the treatment plant is on campus facilitates the work since the team doesn’t have to seek out the cooperation of a public utility.

They intend to track the DNA of pathogens, including bacteria and viruses, and also plan to look for new and unexpected microbes. This project also will show the diversity of microbes in waste streams, researchers said.

One challenge will be coping with highly variable influent flows. Issues such as dilution may alter results, which means the method devised must account for these variables.

Wastewater-Based Epidemiology

Wastewater-based epidemiology is not new. Researchers in Europe have been advocating for its use since roughly 2001. A team of European researchers, writing on the topic in Water & Sewerage Journal, said the process:

"[…] enables information about exposure to external agents and disease in defined population groups to be retrieved from wastewater via the analysis of human metabolic excretion products (called biomarkers)."

For more than 10 years, European scientists have been examining wastewater to estimate pharmaceutical and illicit drug use among residents. Some studies of rivers, other surface waters, and wastewater treatment plants have looked for substances including cocaine, morphine, amphetamines, heroin, methadone, and their metabolites.

European health officials consider this a valuable tool since it can provide timely information on the use of substances that can affect human health. Alexis Goosdeel, director of the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction said:

"Wastewater-based epidemiology has demonstrated its potential to become a useful complement to established drug monitoring tools. Its ability to deliver timely data on drug use patterns is particularly relevant against the backdrop of an ever-shifting drugs problem."

‘Sentinel for Public Health’

The immediate goal for the Stanford researchers is to demonstrate the utility of wastewater monitoring for protecting public health. The research could also validate their tools as a way to rapidly track the disease-causing bugs.

For example, in the event of a flu outbreak on the Stanford campus, researchers say the monitoring protocol could give the student health center staff additional time to prepare.

Criddle said:

"We like to call [wastewater] a sentinel for public health. […] We can understand things that are happening to the community and take measures to address those concerns, whatever they may be, in a more timely way than would have been possible otherwise."


The researchers intend to create tools for testing, which includes refining both the sampling methods and ways in which the DNA is viewed and analyzed. They hope these tools and methods will be eventually be adopted by utilities and public health agencies.

Wastewater may contain other valuable genetic information, the researchers said. For example, coupled with chemical information, the approach could prove helpful in tracking antibiotic resistance.

The cross-disciplinary team working on the disease tracking approach includes researchers from across Stanford University, including scientists affiliated with Stanford Bio-X, Stanford Woods Institute for the Environment, the Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies, and the Child Health Research Institute.


This research has the potential to expedite early detection of and addressing new pathogenic threats and epidemics before they become a nearly insurmountable problem and maybe even before many thousands of victims are already sick and dying and available for testing. I'm sure this has great potential in aiding our fight against the new corona virus.
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Bret Ripley wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:Seattle to Edmonds to Bellingham to Bellevue to Ferndale back to Bellingham.
I have fond (if dim) memories of Bellingham. I lived there when I was Kindergarten (so ... 1966-67-ish). My Dad taught me to skip rocks at Fairhaven Park. I was also bitten by a German Shepherd in Bellingham, which may help explain my lifelong aversion to lederhosen.


I loved hanging out at Fairhaven Park. I skipped rocks there a time or two myself. I was sad when they took out the rose garden.

Funny, I was bitten by an Irish setter in Bellingham. Yet I’m still partial to Irish Whiskey.
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Gunnar, interesting research. Thanks for posting it!
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You're welcome, RI. I was sure you would be one of those who found it interesting. This is only one of the important research projects with which Craig plays a major role. I am so proud of him! I'm sure you would find much of his work fascinating. It is one of my greatest honors to be regarded by him as a friend.
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Criddle? Who's Criddle?

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Jersey Girl wrote:Criddle? Who's Criddle?

;-)

Ha ha! The next time I talk to him, I'll be sure to let him know how you have disavowed knowing him!
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Gunnar wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:Criddle? Who's Criddle?

;-)

Ha ha! The next time I talk to him, I'll be sure to let him know how you have disavowed knowing him!


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