How the Democrats win in a Landslide

[_Icarus]

Democrats blew a big advantage by not going with Buttigieg. To see a sharp and honest future leader on the same stage with a corrupt and blithering idiot... that might have encouraged even diehard Republicans to vote for Buttigieg.

Castro, Booker, and Warren all seem sharper than Buttigieg if that was your thing.

Everyone looks better by comparison next to Trump. Biden seems to be cognitively losing it in real time (awesome job with that choice Democrats), but otherwise not a one of them isn't going to contrast favorably with Trump on those grounds.

I'd be OK with Sanders or Biden but I was hoping Sanders would win because at least I know the Biden supporters would vote for Sanders against Trump in a general election whereas Bernie bros tend to be complete a$$holes, take losing personally, whine about how it was all rigged, and then sit out the vote so they can say the Democrats deserve 4 more years of Trump for screwing Bernie over.

[_EAllusion]

I don't like Biden as a politician, but I'd be comfortable with his prospects of winning if not for the fact his cognition appears to be deteriorating rapidly. Once Republicans start focusing on that, the media is going to go from politely ignoring it to obsessing over it. He's the only Democrat I can imagine looking bad next to Trump in a debate by virtue of not being altogether there. The idea of him being President is a joke, but being not-Trump is the priority atm. So, real good shot I'll be voting for the demented candidate over the demented candidate in November. American politics absolutely sucks. It's because our media sucks.

[_EAllusion]

It's probably a bad idea to give unilateral control of nuclear weapons to a person with dementia, but come November, that's probably the only choice you're gonna get.

[_Icarus]

I would have thought you would have better prepared yourself for this as I doubt you would have been happy with anyone the Democrats chose. I know Biden has a reputation as a gaffe machine, but we're now talking about the Trump era where the standards have changed completely. You don't seriously believe Biden would use Nukes.

[_EAllusion]

I would have thought you would have better prepared yourself for this as I doubt you would have been happy with anyone the Democrats chose. I know Biden has a reputation as a gaffe machine, but we're now talking about the Trump era where the standards have changed completely. You don't seriously believe Biden would use Nukes.

Standards have changed for Republicans in that there are none. Democrats still are covered with obsessive scrutiny. In fact, because there is no greater viture in legacy media coverage of politics than fostering a sense of balance, the more broken Trump is, the more the Democrat will face scrutiny for whatever can be scrounged up.

Biden is one of the riskier candidates in that he's losing his capacity to think and speak, which are desirable traits to have in a President. Biden seems reasonably positioned as far as his appeal is concerned, but he's gonna have to actually campaign at some point. Cable media isn't always going to hand him victories.

It's a terrible idea to elect someone in Biden's shape to the Presidency. The Presidency is a legitimately difficult job with significant physical and mental demands. You do it because the alternative is cancer, but it's really bad when it has come to this. Democrats had a whole range of people that would've been fine, but they coalesced around straight nonsense. The system is quite broken. The best you can hope for is that Biden has a good VP nod and he dies or retires quickly enough for that person to take over.

[_Jersey Girl]

Biden is one of the riskier candidates in that he's losing his capacity to think and speak, which are desirable traits to have in a President.

Would you put up your most recent glaring example of this please?

[Guest]

Do you watched his ‘rally’s?’

[_Icarus]

I would have thought you would have better prepared yourself for this as I doubt you would have been happy with anyone the Democrats chose. I know Biden has a reputation as a gaffe machine, but we're now talking about the Trump era where the standards have changed completely. You don't seriously believe Biden would use Nukes.

Standards have changed for Republicans in that there are none. Democrats still are covered with obsessive scrutiny. In fact, because there is no greater viture in legacy media coverage of politics than fostering a sense of balance, the more broken Trump is, the more the Democrat will face scrutiny for whatever can be scrounged up.

Biden is one of the riskier candidates in that he's losing his capacity to think and speak, which are desirable traits to have in a President. Biden seems reasonably positioned as far as his appeal is concerned, but he's gonna have to actually campaign at some point. Cable media isn't always going to hand him victories.

It's a terrible idea to elect someone in Biden's shape to the Presidency. The Presidency is a legitimately difficult job with significant physical and mental demands. You do it because the alternative is cancer, but it's really bad when it has come to this. Democrats had a whole range of people that would've been fine, but they coalesced around straight nonsense. The system is quite broken. The best you can hope for is that Biden has a good VP nod and he dies or retires quickly enough for that person to take over.

Would you prefer and even older Bernie Sanders? You had to have known at least up to last week that it was going to be either Sanders or Biden. And did you actually mean to say you'd hope Biden dies?

It seems to me that Biden's stranglehold on the minority vote would put him in a better position to defeat Trump. And since the GOP smear machine had already put all their eggs in the "Sanders is a Socialist" basket, Biden would be more appealing to those moderates and independents who've been conditioned to fear that.

[_EAllusion]

Would you prefer and even older Bernie Sanders? You had to have known at least up to last week that it was going to be either Sanders or Biden. And did you actually mean to say you'd hope Biden dies?

It seems to me that Biden's stranglehold on the minority vote would put him in a better position to defeat Trump.

Yes, for the good of the country, it's ideal either that Biden dies or retires shortly after winning the Presidency. The office should be filled by someone capable of holding it.

Sanders is also very old and it also would be far from ideal for a person on the cusp of 80 who recently had a heart attack and refuses to divulge his medical records to be President. On the plus side, he still has his wits about him and I at least wouldn't worry about his capacity to be the head of a campaign. Biden so far has been an astonishingly bad candidate who was bailed out at the last moment by a rush of cable media coverage. That isn't going to happen in Nov. 2020.

There were lots of perfectly acceptable candidates for Democrats to pick from. That the top 2 vote getters are too old for the job is an indictment of the party. Or, rather, an indictment of the the voting power of boomers.

I don't like Biden's political history, particularly his war on drugs, and his campaign of "nothing is wrong with Republicans, but Trump" is alarmingly, dangerously wrong. Sanders on the other hand is surrounded by some pretty toxic leftists. But I'm not talking about their politics here. Just their basic capacity to be President for 4 years and run as an incumbent.

And since the GOP smear machine had already put all their eggs in the "Sanders is a Socialist" basket, Biden would be more appealing to those moderates and independents who've been conditioned to fear that.

This part is wrong. The GOP was starting to focus on that because they thought Sanders was the frontrunner. We'll be back to Ukraine, Biden's fitness for office, etc. now that the tables have turned. Once the primary is over, the media will start obsessively covering whatever Republicans want them to cover to prove how fair and balanced they are. Voters - the ones who can be persuaded - are fickle creatures who think what cable news tells them to think. Maybe he wins, maybe he doesn't. Individual candidate differences don't matter a ton. But his is a pathetic outcome of a primary that saw a bunch of perfectly capable people throw their hat in the ring.

[_Icarus]

Hard to argue with that.