Ukraine Gate...Impeachment thread 2

[_Markk]

I know what this means ...

"Biden, joining the board, will be in charge of the legal unit..."

And what this means...

"paint a picture of a director who provided advice on legal issues,..."

...

So in your mind if he was not a lawyer, while being in charge of legal affairs for Burisma...what was he doing there that is somehow okay?

Markk, first you complained that Hunter Biden was paid too much for being a board member, and that he had no experience. Now you're implying that he was in charge of all legal issues at Burisma.

Have you decided to move away from your failed attempt to justify any salary based on your initial disingenuous description of Biden's position? And are you now OK with his level of pay given your characterization of Biden being head of the legal team (whatever that means to you) at Burisma?

You will need to focus...or keep trolling. His Job description by Burisma was, in part, to "head legal affairs." Yet He had no experience in natural gas, or the Ukraine. This stressed in the Senate trial that you apparently are ignorant on.

You don't expound on anything, you don't offer anything new just parroted talking points, and you certainly do not even read anything presented. That's Okay, I think Honor see's that, and that is important to me in that I believe he does care, and is starting to see just how deep all this goes, once one gets beyond the talking points.

So actually offer something, or keep trolling.

[_Markk]

In another time I would probably show better board etiquette and not resort to engaging in what otherwise appears to be a pointless quest for pushing Markk to honestly appraise his position. This time around I’m just poking the subject with a stick for the sheer amusement of watching how a mind set on believing a thing will work so hard to appease its own pride and stubbornness.

LOL...By definition you are trolling.

Nope. I’m just persistent. : D

Yes, a persistent Troll...you offer nothing. You just admitting to being a Troll...no way around that one.

But carry on...

[_canpakes]

Markk, the main source is Shokin’s Wiki page, and specifically links 22 and 35:

[22] ^ a b Cullison, Alan (22 September 2019). "Bidens in Ukraine: An Explainer". The Wall Street Journal. New York City: Dow Jones & Company. ISSN 0099-9660. Archived from the original on 3 October 2019. Retrieved 4 October 2019.
“Messrs. Trump and Giuliani have suggested that Joe Biden pushed for the firing of Ukraine's general prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016 to stop an investigation into Burisma. In Ukraine, government officials and anticorruption advocates say that is a misrepresentation. ... Mr. Shokin had dragged his feet into those investigations, Western diplomats said, and effectively squashed one in London by failing to cooperate with U.K. authorities. ... In a speech in 2015, the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, called the Ukrainian prosecutor 'an obstacle' to anticorruption efforts.”

[35] ^ a b Vogel, Kenneth P. (22 September 2019). "Trump, Biden and Ukraine: Sorting Out the Accusations". The New York Times. New York City: The New York Times Company. ISSN 0362-4331. Archived from the original on 3 October 2019. Retrieved 23 September 2019. "A version of this article appears in print on Sept. 22, 2019, Section A, Page 19 of the New York edition with the headline: Trump Is Pointing Fingers, but Here’s the Rundown on Biden and Son."


Are you dodging the question that I posed regarding your complaint over Hunter Biden’s pay? ; )

[_canpakes]

LOL...By definition you are trolling.

Nope. I’m just persistent. : D

Yes, a persistent Troll...you offer nothing. You just admitting to being a Troll...no way around that one.

But carry on...

OK. You need to call me a troll for asking you questions that you are afraid to answer. Whatever floats your boat.

Now that we’ve gotten that out of the way, tell me why Trump didn’t ask the DoJ to investigate something that you insist needs to be investigated?

[_Markk]

You are a troll in that you said ....you were asking the question for sheer amusement. But more importantly because you offer nothing in return and seldom answer questions, and never with original thought.

You are a troll.

[_Markk]

Markk, the main source is Shokin’s Wiki page, and specifically links 22 and 35:

[22] ^ a b Cullison, Alan (22 September 2019). "Bidens in Ukraine: An Explainer". The Wall Street Journal. New York City: Dow Jones & Company. ISSN 0099-9660. Archived from the original on 3 October 2019. Retrieved 4 October 2019.
“Messrs. Trump and Giuliani have suggested that Joe Biden pushed for the firing of Ukraine's general prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016 to stop an investigation into Burisma. In Ukraine, government officials and anticorruption advocates say that is a misrepresentation. ... Mr. Shokin had dragged his feet into those investigations, Western diplomats said, and effectively squashed one in London by failing to cooperate with U.K. authorities. ... In a speech in 2015, the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, called the Ukrainian prosecutor 'an obstacle' to anticorruption efforts.”

[35] ^ a b Vogel, Kenneth P. (22 September 2019). "Trump, Biden and Ukraine: Sorting Out the Accusations". The New York Times. New York City: The New York Times Company. ISSN 0362-4331. Archived from the original on 3 October 2019. Retrieved 23 September 2019. "A version of this article appears in print on Sept. 22, 2019, Section A, Page 19 of the New York edition with the headline: Trump Is Pointing Fingers, but Here’s the Rundown on Biden and Son."


Are you dodging the question that I posed regarding your complaint over Hunter Biden’s pay? ; )

I answered your question...twice.

I will check out your cf when I get to my laptop later...but for the record did you check them out, or did you just cut and paste the FN’s?

[_canpakes]

You are a troll in that you said ....you were asking the question for sheer amusement. But more importantly because you offer nothing in return and seldom answer questions, and never with original thought.

You are a troll.

Cool. In your eyes, I’m a troll that has you too scared to answer a simple question. That’s nice.

Too bad that you can’t explain why Trump didn’t ask the DoJ to investigate what you say needs to be investigated.

[_canpakes]

Are you dodging the question that I posed regarding your complaint over Hunter Biden’s pay? ; )

I answered your question...twice.

I will check out your cf when I get to my laptop later...but for the record did you check them out, or did you just cut and paste the FN’s?

You didn’t answer the question. You simply stated that he had been hired by “a mobster.” Previously, you mentioned numerous times his pay, and that you believed that the amount of compensation was indicative of corruption, and/or not warranted due to your claim that Hunter Biden “has no experience”. Later you went on to state that Biden was hired to head up the legal team at Burisma ... which would seem to run counter to your earlier claims that he did nothing of relevance for Burisma or was not worth the pay received ... although you can’t tell me what level of pay implies no corruption, or some corruption, if the amount of pay is actually a concern.

You’re all over the map on this one, too. And now you’ve exposed that you’re unable to answer another question directly relevant to one of your complaints about Hunter Biden -that being, your insistence that payments to Biden indicate corruption based on their dollar value.

So I’ll ask you again - at what level of pay would Hunter Biden’s salary not be automatically indicative of ‘corruption’ to you?

While you mull over how you’ll dodge that question, here’s a snippet from source [35] above:

As The New York Times reported this spring, no evidence has surfaced that the former vice president intentionally tried to help his son by pressing for the prosecutor’s dismissal.

In fact, some of the vice president’s former associates said he never did anything to deter other efforts to go after the oligarch, Mykola Zlochevsky. Those efforts included a push by Obama administration officials for the United States to support criminal investigations by Ukrainian and British authorities, and possibly for the United States to start its own investigation, into the energy company, Burisma Holdings, and its owner, Mr. Zlochevsky, for possible money laundering and abuse of office.

You still need to address this problem from your conspiracy theory, too.

[_Markk]

You didn’t answer the question. You simply stated that he had been hired by “a mobster.”

LOL...you are just trolling now. I have stated countless times that Zlochevsky was a former minister for the Ukrainian government, mobster, oligarch, with deep Russian ties. But I doubt you red much anyways.

Previously, you mentioned numerous times his pay, and that you believed that the amount of compensation was indicative of corruption

More trolling...CFR that I ever said "the amount of compensation was indicative of corruption" that is just a lie...CFR There are numorus reasons I believe he is corrupt...and rosemont receiving 3.1 million while his father was on the VP is just one of them. Again you are just trolling

Later you went on to state that Biden was hired to head up the legal team at Burisma

According to Burisma...he was, that is a fact...are you denying that? What he actually did is not really known, beyond what we know...which is little at this point. But we can follow the money.

which would seem to run counter to your earlier claims that he did nothing of relevance for Burisma or was not worth the pay received

Again a lie...you are trolling CFR what I said in the context I wrote it?

So I’ll ask you again - at what level of pay would Hunter Biden’s salary not be automatically indicative of ‘corruption’ to you?

That is another straw-man question...the corruption evidence (in part), that in my opinion and Trump's, that demands an investigation, is that he was working for a known corrupt firm, with a boss that has fled the Ukraine to avoid prosecution for corruption, and getting paid lots of money (above the norm), as was his associates, while his father was charged with handing out billions to the Ukraine...and admitting to having the GP fired, that has claimed he was looking into the Biden/Burisma connection. Also, the meeting at the white house with Joe Biden by Rosemont associates (Archer) while the VP was finalizing a deal with the Ukraine for the aid being given for the natural gas industry, in which Hunter was hired on to head up the legal team for the second largest NGC at the time, ran by the former mnister that owned Burisma and gave Burisma many licenses to extract the gas. Noting, 112K was paid to Rosemont, the day before the White House meeting...etc, etc

But I g=have stated this many times and you offer nothing in return, but a newspaper article...hmmm?

You still need to address this problem from your conspiracy theory, too.

LOL...so do you thing that this is why an investigated is needed? or should the country just say...well the newspaper said there was no evidence, so they must be right?

Troll on

[_canpakes]

...and getting paid lots of money (above the norm), as was his associates, while his father was charged with handing out billions to the Ukraine...

Oh, look. There it is again. The thing you said you didn’t say.

Here’s where I ask you again, just as I did in the previous post, to tell me what level of pay implies no corruption, or some corruption, if the amount of pay is actually a concern.

And, as you are confusing what Congress authorized with some idea that Joe Biden is writing checks from a secret monster-funded slush account (he’s not, but you can’t help yourself from being dishonest with your characterization of how the aid process worked), when are you going to draw the connecting line between those aid dollars and Joe Biden’s actual bank account?

I’ll go get a coffee while you figure out yet another way to dodge these questions.