DCP: Homophobia is "a nonsense word."

[_Shulem]

I suspect that those assuming that he or she is actually pro-LDS are falling for a ruse.

I suspect that those who ASSume that Joseph Smith correctly translated the characters in Facsimile No. 3 are falling for a ruse.

This of course, is far worse than being fooled by little ole Smokey. Joe-baby really put on a show with his fake Egyptian translations with bro. Oliver and his other sidekicks egging him on.

Stupid damned BYU School Teachers!

What's the name of the Egyptian king? Was he a homosexual?

[_Philo Sofee]

I am under the impression that Dan Peterson detests the word homophobia when it is so accurately applied to the LDS Church (e.g., leadership who make up the policies). He KNOWS the power of the word, and the concept, and really hates seeing those he almost worships (who doesn't worship their boss after all, the one who pays you) be the recipients of that word and concept. That is why he will minimize it, otherwise he could care less. But lets just allow the "faithful" truth out about the brethren to be put out there, not the entire truth, which has proven dozens of times to be too embarrassing to believe.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Wow.

There are various classes of people who continue to be barred "by nature" from marriage on account of such factor as genetic relationship and minority. It's not "Jim Crow" to deny them marriage licenses.

What does the BYU professor, Mr. Peterson, mean by “minority”? And is he really equating barring homosexual unions with incest? Wtf is wrong with that guy?

When asked by Exiled what he means by “minority” we get this word salad:

You obviously don't know how about how "original intent" jurisprudence works. Do you seriously believe that, say, the late Justice Antonin Scalia regarded African-Americans as worth just 3/5ths of other humans? (For that matter, do you really imagine that even the Founders were referring to "African-Americans" rather than to slaves?)

What. In. The. World...

[Guest]

What does ... Peterson mean by “minority”?

I think he likely just means that you can't get married if you're underage. Being a minor is being in the state of minority.

The fact that minors and siblings can't marry is a good rebuttal to the hypothetical position that absolutely everybody should be able to marry whomever they choose. It's irrelevant to the point that Peterson was actually addressing, though, which was Exiled's suggestion that civil partnerships are back-of-the-bus marriage. It's irrelevant because (at least in most jurisdictions) minors and siblings can't form civil partnerships, either. So these cases offer no precedent for certain classes of people being allowed civil partnerships but not marriage, which was the point at issue.

In fact the precedents of minority and siblinghood preventing marriage tend to support same-sex marriage. First of all they are precedents for marriage being allowed whenever civil unions are allowed. Secondly they suggest, by being the only examples, that marriage is only forbidden for reasons like prevention of inbreeding or lack of legal adulthood. Neither of these is an issue for same-sex marriage of adults. So if the impossibilities of incestuous or underage marriage are the paradigms for forbidding marriage, same-sex marriage ought to be fine.

The only cases in which marriage has been forbidden to unrelated adults would seem to have been interracial unions that were forbidden by anti-miscegenation laws. Those laws existed for reasons that really were very much like the reasons given today for forbidding same-sex marriage. Interracial marriage was said to be unnatural and offensive to God, and also to be a threat to same-race marriage because as soon as interracial marriage was allowed everyone would be tempted to do it. Exiled's Jim Crow argument is more serious than Peterson seems to realize.

[_Gadianton]

In fact the precedents of minority and siblinghood preventing marriage tend to support same-sex marriage. First of all they are precedents for marriage being allowed whenever civil unions are allowed.

Yep, keep trying guys!

if this point hasn't been made, then hopefully it gets transplanted over there.

[_moksha]

I think he likely just means that you can't get married if you're underage.

Or if you've got a harem of extra wives back at the compound.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

It should be noted that Mr. Peterson only clarified his “minority” statement after obsessively combing through this thread and peeping on our discussion. What a strange and odd fixation he has with this board and its participants. Creepy.

It should also be noted that he’s nitpicking the word ‘homophobia’, but immediately turns around and strains at a gnat over the 3/5ths a person definition not being for Blacks, but for slaves because, you know, being overly pedantic gets people closer to Christ.

- Doc

[_moksha]

It should be noted that Mr. Peterson only clarified his “minority” statement after obsessively combing through this thread and peeping on our discussion.

It makes perfect sense that Dr. Peterson closely monitors this board. It is, after all, a happening place and the hotbed of all malevolent stalker activity. Think of it as one of life's guilty pleasures besides a presentation of Tannhäuser at the Orem City Opera and a snifter of orange soda.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Smokey adds this as a disclaimer to avoid prosecution under certain country’s hate speech laws. His posts are not intended as satire.

Whether or not that's true, it's not going to stop some people from believing that it's legitimate "satire." Remember: Smokey's grand "plan" is to show everyone that "anti-Mormonism" is no different from anti-Semitism. That has long been one of the "long shot" goals of the Mopologists. I don't mean to speak ill of the dead, but surely people here will remember Bill Hamblin's ridiculous "trolling" on RfM:

All one needs to do to see the bigotry on this board is replace the ubiquitous terms Morg and Morgbot with Kike. Try the following on for size:

“I get mad every time I think about those Kikes. The Kikes are so clannish; and they wear funny cloths. Those stupid Kikes always do what their Rabbis tell them. They think they should be obedient to God. What mindless Kikebots. They actually have 613 commandments; count ’em—six hundred and thirteen. This proves they’re a mind-control cult. You know, Kikes have committed murder and embezzled money. In fact, when a Kike commits murder, it’s because he’s a Kike. There is something about those Kikes that makes them violent. The Kikes are all rich, too. They control the money and politics of New York. Not just New York, they control Hollywood too, and want to control the politics of the entire country. Indeed, they are a threat to freedom and democracy. And their kosher rules are so-ooo stupid. They make me want to gag. Why shouldn’t I eat a cheeseburger if I want to? You can’t get a good ham sandwich in a Kike deli. I want a ham sandwich, and I’m not going to let those Kikes stop me from eating it. I sure hate those Kikes! They drive me nuts.”

Smokey, I guess, has been channeling the late Bill Hamblin, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that DCP rather grudgingly likes it.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

... DCP rather grudgingly likes it.

You mean the blogger who posted a lynching photo as a sort of 'yuk yuk' joke post? Or the blogger who just equated homosexuality with pedophilia? That guy?

- Doc