Remember when FOX News blamed Ebola on Obama?

[_Gunnar]

I'm glad Trump was in office and willing to make a travel ban. Themis and other leftist mantra during the ebola crisis was that travel bans are based on ignorance and fear. Do you still believe that about travel bans? As bad as this is, it would be a lot worse if it happened under Democrat rule.

The travel bans Trump tried to impose near the beginning of his presidency were motivated by nothing more than irrational racism and bigotry. They are not comparable in either purpose or spirit to the travel restrictions being imposed to limit the spread of the corona virus.

If you think that Trump's handling of the situation is beyond reproach or even comes close to the competence displayed by the nations who are best handling this crisis, you are woefully mis or underinformed--especially for someone who is supposedly any kind of medical professional, as you claim to be. How does someone with the intelligence and knowledge supposedly required to be a competent optometrist or any other kind of medical professional become an irrational worshiper of someone as obviously corrupt, incompetent and dishonest as Donald J. Trump?

ETA: As Dr.Cam so eloquently put it:

President Trump fired the CDC's pandemic response team that President Obama had put in place after the Ebola outbreak in 2014. The federal government sat on their hands and STILL haven't given us the ability to simply test patients so we know what we're facing when they walk into an ER.

The federal government is dragging their feet implementing any kind of response to enforce social distancing or to release their stockpile of masks.

So on and so forth. Not that you really care about reality because, I dunno, illegals, or black welfare types, or socialism. Trump could inject a live baby with the coronases, on 5th Avenue, in broad daylight, with his dick and you’d just wait for Fox News to declare that a win against illegal evil vampire babies that can only be killed if the President skull "F"s them with coronas dick, on 5th Avenue, in broad daylight.

Naturally.

- Doc

I don't know whether to be angry at you or sorry for you for being so clueless about what is really happening!

[_Gunnar]

Fox News and Trump's definition of "fake news": Any truth or reality that conflicts with what Trump and his GOP enablers desperately would rather have us believe.

[_Some Schmo]

If one is dumb enough to think Fox serves news, they likely think McDonald's sells food. Both provide the same nutritional content.

I am puzzled, Mcdonald hamburger has real ground beef, real pickle a bun with some starch, something like cheese and a potato stuff which has been cooked. This is quite substantial food compared to substance at fox.

Now I am not suggesting a person live on McD burgers but I have been saved from hunger on a few occasions by the bland construction.

Well, I was exaggerating slightly, although not about providing the same nutritional content.

McDonald's products do have a food-like framework. Fox has a news-like framework. What I'm saying is that it is highly inadvisable to live on either one exclusively. Both work in a pinch, but you certainly don't want to rely on either on a day to day basis, and avoid them entirely if possible.

If you live off Fox News, you are intellectually malnourished. You start talking like ajax... let that be your cautionary tale. If that doesn't scare the crap out of you, nothing will.

ETA: Part of McDonald's popularity is due to inexpensive and fast food that is mostly devoid of content. It's easy to consume. In many ways, McDonald's appeals to the innate laziness in people.

So that's another thing McDonald's and Fox News have in common. That's probably a big part of why Fox has it's audience size.

[_Themis]

I'm glad Trump was in office and willing to make a travel ban. Themis and other leftist mantra during the ebola crisis was that travel bans are based on ignorance and fear. Do you still believe that about travel bans? As bad as this is, it would be a lot worse if it happened under Democrat rule.

The Chinese travel ban would've happened under virtually any President and the European one excepting nations with Trump's golf courses makes little sense and is widely criticized by experts. Meanwhile the incompetence in the administration, caused by both incompetent decision makers and prior dismantling of the civil service bureaucracy needed in epidemic response, has been astounding.

This is what happens when you put in power a racist, idiot game-show host surrounded by reactionary ideologues he needs to appease to loot the country.

In Canada we have not done any travel bans but increased screening and self isolation, which so far has been fairly effective in containing or slowing the spread. The US has been more restrictive yet has a number of outbreaks. Increased screening and getting people in specific situations to self isolate is the best method in fighting virus spread while at the same time trying not to do more damage in areas like the economy. Lots and lots of testing is also showing to be a very effective tool in fighting the spread of a virus which the US is also having trouble doing. Ajax doesn't seem to get the damage being done by an incompetent president who cares little about him. Canadians are now being advised not to travel outside of the country including the US which may be a first in my lifetime.

[_ajax18]

In Canada we have not done any travel bans but increased screening and self isolation, which so far has been fairly effective in containing or slowing the spread.

So you still wouldn't agree with the travel ban, same as you felt back when ebola had the potential to become and epidemic? At least you're consistent. I don't think there is any way Obama would have been willing to institute the travel ban as early as Trump did. He would have only done so if at all after many months of intense pressure from the center of the Democrat party.

[_Some Schmo]

I don't think there is any way Obama would have been willing to institute the travel ban as early as Trump did. He would have only done so if at all after many months of intense pressure from the center of the Democrat party.

That's because Obama is way smarter than Trump. He was measured and did things thoughtfully. He listened to experts. He didn't bumble around the office making idiotic snap decisions like the damned moron President is doing now.

But yes, we understand that you worship idiocy. Is that because it makes you feel normal?

[_Themis]

In Canada we have not done any travel bans but increased screening and self isolation, which so far has been fairly effective in containing or slowing the spread.

So you still wouldn't agree with the travel ban, same as you felt back when ebola had the potential to become and epidemic?

I'm consistent in going with what the experts have to say and taking a little time to learn what that is and why. You are consistent in avoiding that, but you can change if you want to.

[_ajax18]

I'm consistent in going with what the experts have to say and taking a little time to learn what that is and why. You are consistent in avoiding that, but you can change if you want to.

You don't have a little time to learn and debate what the experts say. Even though he knew the other side would use the travel ban as a chance to disparage him as a racist, Trump was quick and decisive in doing what was in the best interests of the American people.

[_EAllusion]

You don't have a little time to learn and debate what the experts say. Even though he knew the other side would use the travel ban as a chance to disparage him as a racist, Trump was quick and decisive in doing what was in the best interests of the American people.

This is delusional. You need to find a way to get outside your toxic information bubble.

[_Res Ipsa]

I'm consistent in going with what the experts have to say and taking a little time to learn what that is and why. You are consistent in avoiding that, but you can change if you want to.

You don't have a little time to learn and debate what the experts say. Even though he knew the other side would use the travel ban as a chance to disparage him as a racist, Trump was quick and decisive in doing what was in the best interests of the American people.

The experts agree that, except in certain cases that don’t apply to the US, travel bans don’t work. Trump’s travel ban was poorly thought out and executed. Americans returning from China weren’t quarantined - they just had their temperatures taken. As more and more countries experienced outbreaks, the ban wasn’t expanded in a timely fashion. When it finally was updated, Iran was treated the most harshly, while other countries, like Italy, were a greater threat. And it’s clear that Trump himself doesn’t even understand what his travel bans are: his descriptions are wildly inaccurate.

The travel bans were for political show. They created an illusion of safety, while the Virus circulated through the country. Undetected.