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[_DarkHelmet]

Do you think Trump should have vetoed the stimulus bill?

No. This is a very different situation than 2008. I don't think we're going to get far talking partisan politics. I do have a more nonpolitical question for you that I'd like to pick your brain on. At what point does the cure for this become worse than the disease. Eventually we're going to have to come out of our houses. Many of us will get sick and many will die but not everyone.

You're using old talking points. Trump caved and extended social distancing to the end of April.

[_Analytics]

Can the cure ever be worse than the disease? In theory, yes. Making an extreme hypothetical to illustrate the point, if the government mandated that all commercial activity be ceased until we were 100% sure the virus was completely eradicated, the cure would be worse than the disease. This suggests something like the Laffer cure--some amount of cure is good, and marginally adding to the cure helps, but at some point the marginal benefits of the cure don't help very much, and eventually will cause more harm than good.

My first thought is that whatever measures of "cure" are implemented, it needs to be intelligently formulated an executed. All ounces of medicine are not created equally.

Presuming that responses are intelligent, it is important to understand that the economy and the public health aren't necessarily at odds--designing an effective response isn't necessarily about making a tradeoff between keeping Americans healthy and keeping them productive. As a group of economists recently said,

The COVID-19 pandemic is at once threatening American lives, the sustainability of our nation’s health care system, and our economic prosperity. Our paramount concern at this moment should be to slow the spread of this virus and equip our health care system to effectively respond. Saving lives and saving the economy are not in conflict right now; we will hasten the return to robust economic activity by taking steps to stem the spread of the virus and save lives.

https://economicstrategygroup.org/resou ... t-covid19/

[_Maxine Waters]

Well since Ajax has been banned for doxing I have no other choice. I had no idea what doxing meant or was against the rules since I've seen people freely doxing other posters on this board including myself. I guess it just depends on who you are and what your politics are when determining what the rules are.

Right now I just want to go back to work. Chances are this virus was here back in December and I already caught a round of it. I'm seriously starting to think this reaction to the corona virus is more about politics than medicine. If Trump were not president and this were not an election year the economy would never have been shut down this long.

[_Analytics]

If Trump were not president and this were not an election year the economy would never have been shut down this long.

You blame this catastrophe on Trump? I don't fully blame him, but his poor leadership is making the health and economic impacts worse than they have to be.

[Guest]

I'm seriously starting to think this reaction to the corona virus is more about politics than medicine. If Trump were not president and this were not an election year the economy would never have been shut down this long.

So Trump shut down the government for political purposes?

Of course it is about politics but only for Trump and Republicans. He is not going to let this disaster go to waste. He's using it to funnel money to his friends. He is telling governors he won't help unless they kiss his ass. Why is it Florida is the only state that is getting all the supplies requested? Because DeSantis is a Republican Governor is a swing state. Meanwhile he's mocking states like New York and Michigan simply because they have Democrat governors. And today he said he wants all the stimulus checks to have his personal signature on it. Yeah, no political messaging intended there, right?

[_Maxine Waters]

You blame this catastrophe on Trump? I don't fully blame him, but his poor leadership is making the health and economic impacts worse than they have to be.

A lot of people are going to die from this. We had Sars, Swine Flu, Avian Flu, anthrax, and ebola in the past. A lot of people died from those as well. I'll grant this pandemic is easier to catch. But I think the mainstream media has made this worse than it needed to be and worse than the pandemics I've mentioned before, perhaps even just to hurt the Trump reelection campaign. At what point, sick or not sick, do we need to pick ourselves up by our bootstraps and march back into work. Maybe even people like me need to change careers for a bit. And perhaps obese people, smokers, and old people just need to stay home for a while, maybe even a year.

[_Analytics]

Why blame the government's reaction on the mainstream media and not on the leader of the government?

It seems you have a pathological need to give Trump 100% of the credit for things you perceive as going well and 0% of the blame for things that don't go well.

[_Maxine Waters]

So Trump shut down the government for political purposes?

Of course it is about politics but only for Trump and Republicans. He is not going to let this disaster go to waste. He's using it to funnel money to his friends. He is telling governors he won't help unless they kick his ass. Why is it Florida is the only state that is getting all the supplies requested? Because DeSantis is a Republican Governor is a swing state. Meanwhile he's mocking states like New York and Michigan simply because they have Democrat governors. And today he said he wants all the stimulus checks to have his personal signature on it. Yeah, no political messaging intended there, right?

Your style is so familiar. I once knew an emotional online bully just like you. I wouldn't put anything past people like you or the mainstream media. Perhaps you figured out that you can't beat Trump nor destroy his base any other way.

[_Analytics]

I once knew an emotional online bully just like you. I wouldn't put anything past people like you or the mainstream media. Perhaps you figured out that you can't beat Trump nor destroy his base any other way.

You knew an emotional online bully? Let me guess who it was. Was Twitter his favorite platform? Were his initials DJT?

[_Icarus]

You blame this catastrophe on Trump? I don't fully blame him, but his poor leadership is making the health and economic impacts worse than they have to be.

A lot of people are going to die from this. We had Sars, Swine Flu, Avian Flu, anthrax, and ebola in the past. A lot of people died from those as well. I'll grant this pandemic is easier to catch. But I think the mainstream media has made this worse than it needed to be and worse than the pandemics I've mentioned before, perhaps even just to hurt the Trump reelection campaign. At what point, sick or not sick, do we need to pick ourselves up by our bootstraps and march back into work. Maybe even people like me need to change careers for a bit. And perhaps obese people, smokers, and old people just need to stay home for a while, maybe even a year.

It is stunning that after several months of new knowledge and fact checks that there are still people this ignorant on this topic. So you're just ignoring all the science like a typical Republican? Today I was listening to Erick Erickson on the radio and he was talking about how Trump supporters are attacking him for believing the fake news and they've all dug deep in conspiracy theories. Tell us ajax, do you believe Dr. Fauci is part of the deep state too? And if so, why is Trump listening to him (finally!)?

Step away from your insane posting and think about what you're saying for a second. The media isn't driving anything. No one is out to get your precious orange snowflake by using a pandemic. The media has been reporting on the virus and none more so than FOX News. Everything that has happened in the past month has vindicated the media's concern it expressed back in January and February when Trump was calling it a hoax. The coronavirus was FOX News' favorite issue during the Democratic primaries/debates because they'd rather not give air time to Democrats. The stock market began to tank after crude dropped through the floor, not after people were dying of coronavirus. The market reacted to coronavirus later when investors realized we had a moron in the white house who insisted on playing it down.

You're literally blaming the media for forcing Trump to shut things down. Is that how weak your President is? He's that easily manipulated? If so, he isn't much of a leader.