What did Trump know and when?

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Re: What did Trump know and when?

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EAllusion wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:07 pm
The first memo is the important one because of its position in the timeline.
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your skills in redundancy are impressive...tedious and without care for brevity, but that persistence is certainly impressive. Yet, how you haven't gone blind yet remains even more impressive.
So, tell us Sherlock of the 9/11 quad, is there another timeline where a "1st mem" loses value?
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Re: What did Trump know and when?

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[quote=EAllusion post_id=1221442 time=1586358457 user_id=1078]
The first memo is the important one because of its position in the timeline.
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your skills in redundancy are impressive...tedious and without care for brevity, but that persistence is certainly impressive. Yet, how you haven't gone blind yet remains even more impressive.
So, tell us Sherlock of the 9/11 quad, is there another timeline where a "1st mem" loses value?
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Reading context can be hard for new readers.

The first memo matters more than the second because the first memo was written in late January when there was still more public uncertainty about the severity of the COVID threat even if everything said in it could be gotten from decent public sources at the time. Of course, as we've since learned, the Trump admin was getting warning from intelligence as early as November.

It's also early enough that it gave lots of lead time for Trump that was spent instead downplaying and failing to prepare. By the time the second one was written, what's being discussed in terms of investments and supplies could be confidently derived from general news reading and is much closer to the point where the Trump admin was forced to (sorta) act. It's still during the period of public downplaying, but obviously doesn't have the same lag time as the first. They're written about a month apart.
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Re: What did Trump know and when?

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It's like 9/11, except instead of there being a intelligence report saying Osama Bin Laden is determined to attack the United States, there were dozens of reports both from intelligence and in the media about Osama Bid Landen being determined to attack the United States, using planes, sometime in early September of 2001, accompanied by daily live footage of Osama Bin Laden's people preparing to attack the United States.
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Re: What did Trump know and when?

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EAllusion wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:07 pm

The issue is not "offending professional sensibilities of game theory experts." It has nothing to do with sensibility. It's that he grounded a specific measure he is recommending in a "game-theoretic analysis" that is utter gibberish intending to sound learned by using a buzzword. When people do that, it means their analysis is bogus and you can safely ignore the recommendation.
In fact, I do not think that Navarro's estimate of the level of risk posed by a possible pandemic in the first memo depended to any significant degree on games theory: the reference to games theory was purely decorative. The core of the memo made sense on its own terms, and ought to have been attended to. It was not theoretically elegant, but it made some kind of sense.

We shall obviously not agree on this matter. I am happy for our readers (if there are any, which I begin to suspect is doubtful under current circumstances) to read the memo and make up their own minds on the matter.

I take it that you have no problem with the second memo, which was specific, urgent, prescient, and ought to have been acted on.
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Re: What did Trump know and when?

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[quote=Chap post_id=1221448 time=1586373529 user_id=681]
... our readers (if there are any, which I begin to suspect is doubtful under current circumstances)
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It's likely, at this point because the board is unreadable and there seems to be zero urgency to fix despite our offers to hire a techie to fix the glitches, that there's only a few holdouts checking in.

Shame.

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Re: What did Trump know and when?

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"your skills in redundancy are impressive...tedious and without care for brevity, but that persistence is certainly impressive. Yet, how you haven't gone blind yet remains even more impressive.

So, tell us Sherlock of the 9/11 quad, is there another timeline where a "1st mem" loses value?"

Is there anyone here that can un-“F” this cavalcade of subgenius-speak?

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Re: What did Trump know and when?

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Col. R. Shane Day, Director of the NCMI -

As a matter of practice the National Center for Medical Intelligence does not comment publicly on specific intelligence matters. However, in the interest of transparency during this current public health crisis, we can confirm that media reporting about the existence/release of a National Center for Medical Intelligence Coronavirus-related product/assessment in November of 2019 is not correct. No such NCMI product exists.
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Re: What did Trump know and when?

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/media/pe ... index.html

"Pence... will only allow experts such as Dr. Deborah Birx or Dr. Anthony Fauci to appear on CNN if the network televises the portion of the White House briefings that includes the vice president and other coronavirus task force members."

Cool. The current regime is using the coronavirus briefings as a political rally.

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Re: What did Trump know and when?

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Chap wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:02 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:50 pm
As far as derailing the economy goes, I think that one was unavoidable. ...
The point is that Trump knew that damn well months ago (or should have done if he had glanced at briefing document headlines). Yet until recently he continued to talk as if any economic damage need only be minimal, and that a quick return to normal should be possible.

This was one of a number of examples in which his words and actions not only failed to push preparations forward, but actually opposed them.
Is there some estimate of what the affects of the corona virus would have been had Trump acted differently? I think it's too early to tell what the best strategy would have been. We knew early on that corona virus affects certain population groups more than others, most only experiencing mild symptoms, yet we shut down everything in response. Perhaps isolating those groups would have been a better strategy? Once we have a better handle on how the virus acts within the population, we will know what should have happened. Even so, Trump is the last person I would want leading during any crisis.
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Re: What did Trump know and when?

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I suppose its considered discrimination not to shut everything down. You can't put a price on human life, right? So if tanking the economy saves a 100,000 people it's the right thing to do, right?
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