Hi, MsJack. This is weaps from Z. Nice seeing you here. I appreciate what you said about being thoughtful. I felt compelled to post the OP and did so. Maybe what was said will resonate with someone and if not immediately, maybe somewhere down the road. Sometimes there is a time to speak to the intellect and other times, to speak to the heart.MsJack wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:40 amMsNobody, what was your handle on ZLMB?
I get that, as Christians, we're called to be witnesses in all times and all places. God has saved me from myself too many times to count. I'm grateful for my Christian faith and I know that I would not be the person I am today without the Holy Spirit's refining fire in my life.
But I also think that, sometimes, when interacting with a group that is burned out with religion, the best way to be a Christian witness is to be a good person and a thoughtful friend. "To the Gentiles I became a Gentile" and whatnot.
Usually the only people who want to know why I post here are conservative Mormons who can't understand why I post at a place which is fairly hostile to the LDS faith. I usually respond by admitting that I know this board isn't perfect and leaves a lot to be desired, and I'm open to recommendations of other boards to post on.
Haven't gotten a single recommendation yet.
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It wasn't out of the blue, although it did catch me off guard a little bit. It was during a time of reminiscing. I know my friend's reasons for participation. It is reasons for none participation that I didn't ask about. Sometimes, you know your friends so well, that you don't have to ask. And, yes, I have evangelized here and I don't apologize for it. It may happen again sometime.So, your “friend” asked you, out of the blue, why you post at MormonDiscussions.com, and your answer was a sort of lengthy answer regarding evangelizing to us here, and you didn’t care to ask her about her reasons for participating, but rather just made some assumptions and moved on after taking the opportunity to talk about your own motivations
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Thank you, Gad. The point was that the friend's question prompted introspection on my part and what followed under the subject line was the conclusion to that introspection. Just prior to the friends question to me, I was already compelled to post an evangelistic post anyway. The two meld together in the OP.I don't know what Cam's expectations are, but I doubt he expects you to pony up an in real life name to track down. I think an answer indicating you had specifics in mind is good enough; I'll take it on your word. If you say, "a friend from this forum asked me last tuesday" or "A co-worker in real life, during a conversation at lunch a month ago where this board came up" -- any answer indicating you had a specific person and specific conversation in mind when you wrote your OP will do for me.
It is really good to see old online acquaintances on here. There was a day when more folks here would have been relentlessly firing away at me. I guess we're all mellowing out in our old age. Seriously, I love you guys. I'm thankful for Analytics posting the thread on ZMLB years ago and inviting me to read the replies, and to Dr. Shades for inviting me here and allowing me to be me.
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What is your background, Dr. CamNC4Me, if you'd like to share that with me? How did you make your way here to M D B?
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[quote=msnobody post_id=1221711 time=1586919883 user_id=23]It wasn't out of the blue, although it did catch me off guard a little bit. It was during a time of reminiscing. I know my friend's reasons for participation. It is reasons for none participation that I didn't ask about. Sometimes, you know your friends so well, that you don't have to ask. And, yes, I have evangelized here and I don't apologize for it. It may happen again sometime.[/quote]
It was “during a time of reminiscing”? Wut.
Since we’re in the mood to evangelize I’ll share my thoughts about your faith. Christians are, more often than not, nervous individuals who instead of striving to improve themselves, their families, their towns, and their countries spend their miserable self-loathing lives waiting for a magical Jewish carpenter to come down from the clouds and save them. Self-reliance is a foreign and utterly terrifying concept to them. They lack the strength and drive to deliver themselves, so they seek deliverance externally. Thus, Christianity is the ultimate cop out. As the world turns around them, powerless Christians harbor a secret death wish in their hearts, and pray the destruction of the world because they think "it's all a part of God's plan."
And the "teachings" of Christianity are diametrically opposed to reason and is a celebration of weakness; it keeps them everlastingly ill-at-ease; they lack the spirit, the very essence of champions, to seize ahold of their own lives and own their accountability to themselves. Instead, they whine and cry to an archetype absentee daddy figure because existence is too onerous, too heavy, too demanding and they instead navel gaze while mumbling penances in order to larp away responsibility.
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It was “during a time of reminiscing”? Wut.
Since we’re in the mood to evangelize I’ll share my thoughts about your faith. Christians are, more often than not, nervous individuals who instead of striving to improve themselves, their families, their towns, and their countries spend their miserable self-loathing lives waiting for a magical Jewish carpenter to come down from the clouds and save them. Self-reliance is a foreign and utterly terrifying concept to them. They lack the strength and drive to deliver themselves, so they seek deliverance externally. Thus, Christianity is the ultimate cop out. As the world turns around them, powerless Christians harbor a secret death wish in their hearts, and pray the destruction of the world because they think "it's all a part of God's plan."
And the "teachings" of Christianity are diametrically opposed to reason and is a celebration of weakness; it keeps them everlastingly ill-at-ease; they lack the spirit, the very essence of champions, to seize ahold of their own lives and own their accountability to themselves. Instead, they whine and cry to an archetype absentee daddy figure because existence is too onerous, too heavy, too demanding and they instead navel gaze while mumbling penances in order to larp away responsibility.
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Reminiscing through spiritual journeys.
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Doc, you have presented a colorful and vivid image of how you see Christians. It is not original ,I don't think you intended it to be. I think there have been times I considered such a view. It is likely not absolutely without foundation despite it been the opposite of and negation of everything Christianity teaches and stands for. People can do that sometimes.
There are irreligious folks who do the same but expect complaining about the unfairness of life to be a stand in for that sky daddy.
There are irreligious folks who do the same but expect complaining about the unfairness of life to be a stand in for that sky daddy.
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Where are you EA? I don't know if you coined the term "perma-saved," but I've always given you credit for it.
Edited to say, Hah! How cool is it that when you type E A, EA replaces it? You must have reached your highest exaltation.
Edited to say, Hah! How cool is it that when you type E A, EA replaces it? You must have reached your highest exaltation.
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Fascinating. My response to msnobody was completely ignored by her, but I suppose being ignored by an evangelist who refuses to engage and only witnesses is not really a problem, is it? She “loves you guys”, you old timers! How fun for you.msnobody wrote: ↑Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:25 am
It is really good to see old online acquaintances on here. There was a day when more folks here would have been relentlessly firing away at me. I guess we're all mellowing out in our old age. Seriously, I love you guys. I'm thankful for Analytics posting the thread on ZMLB years ago and inviting me to read the replies, and to Dr. Shades for inviting me here and allowing me to be me.
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Lemmie wrote,
https://youtu.be/JpgpS3ogvMM?t=40
No worries, Lemmie. I didn't get any love from msnobdy either. I think she might be trying to start some East Coast vs West Coast feud.She “loves you guys”, you old timers! How fun for you.
https://youtu.be/JpgpS3ogvMM?t=40