Joe Biden accused of sexual assault

[_ajax18]

Turns out half this country is nuttier than I thought, and about half the other side would send thought criminals to the gulags.

- Doc

Only if those thoughts are capitalist or racist (anything negative seen or recognized in a nonwhite person).

[_Icarus]

More than these seven women?

https://www.thecut.com/2020/04/joe-bide ... tions.html

- Doc

Lucy Flores - He sniffed my hair and kissed the back of my head at an event for my 2014 campaign

Amy Lappos - During a political fund-raiser "he put his hand around my neck and pulled me in to rub noses with me. It wasn’t sexual."

D.J. Hill - At a fundraising event in he rested his hand on my shoulder, and then started to move it down my back.

Caitlyn Caruso - At a University of Nevada event in 2016, he hugged me just a little bit too long and laid his hand on my thigh.

Ally Coll - At a 2008 reception he squeezed my shoulders, complimented my smile, and held me “for a beat too long.”

Sofie Karasek - At the 2016 Oscars, he violated my personal space touching our foreheads together.

Vail Kohnert-Yount - He put his hand on the back of my head and pressed his forehead to my forehead. I don't believe it was sexual misconduct even though I was uncomfortable.

Alexandra Tara Reade 2019 - He put his hand on my shoulder and run his finger up my neck. I didn't feel it was sexualized.

Alexandra Tara Reade 2020 - It was sexualized. And he stuck his finger in my vagina in a public place.

Ten points for anyone who can tell me which account doesn't mesh with the rest.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Icarus, when you selectively edit statements to reflect well on your candidate this is the very thing that the Left, specifically the mainstream media, has been doing for years which has resulted in a loss of confidence by a lot of people with Democrats.

Lucy Flores- Lucy Flores alleged that Biden smelled her hair and gave her “a big slow kiss” on the back of her head at an event for her 2014 campaign. In that moment, she wrote, she felt “embarrassed” and “shocked.”

“I wanted nothing more than to get Biden away from me,”...

AmyLappos- When he was pulling me in, I thought he was going to kiss me on the mouth.”

After the incident, Lappos didn’t file a formal complaint. “He was the vice president,” she told the Courant. “I was a nobody.”

So on and so forth. You have issues of a powerful man taking advantage of a powerless woman, weird sniffing, kissing, touching, and of course allegations of digital penetration. You and many on the Left were more than willing to believe Dr. Ford’s inconsistencies and excuse her political motivations; need I remind you pushing that one crazy crazy woman’s (her name escapes me at the moment) allegations?

Anyway. Hopefully, when he chooses a woman as his running mate she hasn’t taken to sniffing people, grabbing them by the throat, and inappropriately kissing on them.

- Doc

[_Icarus]

I summarized what Biden actually did, whereas you added a few remarks about how some of the women felt. Those are two different things.

The initial claim was that seven women have already come forward with charges of sexual abuse. But if this is sexual abuse then virtually half of the older male population in the country consists of sexual predators. At least two of these women said they didn't believe it was in any way sexual even if it did make them uncomfortable. But we chalk it up as sexual anyway. Both sets of my grandparents did most of what was described above with not only their immediate family, but also with other friends. It all depends on the situation, but at celebratory events this was common (graduations, weddings, etc). And virtually every example above is during a public event while on camera. My primary point is that this doesn't even begin to compare to the pussygrabberinchief who has actually been accused of raping women and we have him on audio admitting to treating all women like fair game prostitutes because his celebrity status gives him that privilege. Comparing Biden to Trump is always going to be wrong no matter how you slice it.

If Biden had even half of the same kinds of accusations that Trump has, he wouldn't have been nominated.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Yes, you summarized by leaving out important details. These kinds of shenanigans coupled with a pathological inability to admit to wrongdoing is the very thing that the media has been doing for years and it caused a lot of the middle to shift right. The point being, what you’re doing, right now, giving the candidate the benefit of the doubt is the exact opposite of what you were doing during the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings. It’s glaringly obvious.

- Doc

[_honorentheos]

http://mormondiscussions.com/viewtopic. ... 4#p1148824

http://mormondiscussions.com/viewtopic. ... 6#p1149726

Personal opinion still holds: Take claims seriously? Yes. Just believe her/him? No.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Speaking of allegations and hypocritical treatment by the press, and Leftists, of political stories, it appears Jussie Smollett was fooling around with his attacker, or whatever, in a Chicago bathhouse:

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/j ... use-report

I can’t use the site’s search function nor does Google allow me to bring up the old thread, but I believe there might’ve been some uncritical acceptance of Mr. Smollett’s story here when it first came to light? Can anyone refresh my memory regarding to KG’s hot take on the story? I wouldn’t want to misquote him.

- Doc

[_Icarus]

Yes, you summarized by leaving out important details. These kinds of shenanigans coupled with a pathological inability to admit to wrongdoing is the very thing that the media has been doing for years and it caused a lot of the middle to shift right. The point being, what you’re doing, right now, giving the candidate the benefit of the doubt is the exact opposite of what you were doing during the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings. It’s glaringly obvious.

- Doc

I intentionally summarized what he did to make the point that his actions are very different from Trump's. That isn't a "shenanigan." What women thought was going on in his mind at the time is irrelevant to my point. Their personal beliefs aren't top secret information, it was right there in the article, so to suggest I was deceptively trying to conceal information that was readily available even though it pertained not at all to the point, is just silly.

And there are good reasons for not giving Kavanaugh the benefit of the doubt. The evidence against Kavanaugh was very different. First and foremost was the testimony of Ford who came across as very credible. Reade strikes me as a loony. Does anyone really listen to Kavanaugh's serial lying and think, no way this guy could have sexually assaulted a woman while drunk during college?

[_Icarus]

Doc, do you really believe Biden digitally penetrated this woman in public?

Be honest.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Well, I'd like to be honest Icraus, but I don't want to be raked over the coals as someone who doesn't #justbelieveher. #metoo, EA, you, SS, and a few others taught me that it's extremely unlikely that women lie about sexual assault. When a woman says that Bill Clinton raped her we need to believe her. When a woman says that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her we need to believe her. When a woman says Joe Biden sexually assaulted her, we need to believe her. Where do I draw the line regarding someone's credibility?

- Doc