Stark Reality of Ineptitude of Trump's Covid-19 Response

[Guest]

Am I mistaken or are we now on par with multiple shithole countries?

That depends on which countries you mean. If you mean the 32 countries Chris Hayes says are beating the corona virus, you are indeed mistaken. We are way worse than par with them.

[_moksha]

I can think of few things that more strongly discredit any claim by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints being especially favored or led by divine inspiration.

The Church has an out on two accounts:
1. Its leaders did not overtly tell the members to vote for Trump.
2. Not dissuading the members to vote for Trump could be considered supporting member's free agency to engage in evil. The Church admires free agency just as long as it is not disobeying its commands.

[_Gunnar]

I can think of few things that more strongly discredit any claim by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints being especially favored or led by divine inspiration.

The Church has an out on two accounts:
1. Its leaders did not overtly tell the members to vote for Trump.
2. Not dissuading the members to vote for Trump could be considered supporting member's free agency to engage in evil.

Yeah, we both understand that, but if most of those members who voted for him felt inspired by the Holy Ghost, that doesn't say much in favor of the reliability of appealing to the Holy Ghost.

For some reason, this discussion reminds me of a quote by the Physicist, Steven Weinberg: "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion."

[_Res Ipsa]

So, the feds have been promising Washington state a large number of swabs to take samples for PCR testing. We launched our contact tracing specifically counting on those swabs to get us the testing capacity we need. A shipment arrived. It was not testing swabs -- it was a bunch of knock off Q-tips, just loose in boxes. Not sterile. Not individually wrapped.

[_ajax18]

Yeah, we both understand that, but if most of those members who voted for him felt inspired by the Holy Ghost, that doesn't say much in favor of the reliability of appealing to the Holy Ghost.

The natural man will never understand the things of the spirit, at least not in this life.

[_Themis]

So, the feds have been promising Washington state a large number of swabs to take samples for PCR testing. We launched our contact tracing specifically counting on those swabs to get us the testing capacity we need. A shipment arrived. It was not testing swabs -- it was a bunch of knock off Q-tips, just loose in boxes. Not sterile. Not individually wrapped.

America gets what it voted for. Don't be surprised if much of that money is going to people in government and connections to those in government. A crisis is one of the best opportunities to steal tax payer money.

[Guest]

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[Guest]

Yeah, we both understand that, but if most of those members who voted for him felt inspired by the Holy Ghost, that doesn't say much in favor of the reliability of appealing to the Holy Ghost.

The natural man will never understand the things of the spirit, at least not in this life.

What an outrageously ignorant and dishonest cop-out! That point of view makes it possible to justify continuing belief in any nonsense imaginable, no matter how stupid or dangerous or how abundant and incontrovertible the evidence against it. That is Heaven's Gate level irrationality! There well may be and probably are many things mankind will never understand, but given the history of the innumerable, mutually contradictory religious beliefs and belief systems, it is abundantly clear that by far the most unreliable means of gaining improved understanding, is primary reliance on spiritual or "divine" authority.

[_Jersey Girl]

Yeah, we both understand that, but if most of those members who voted for him felt inspired by the Holy Ghost, that doesn't say much in favor of the reliability of appealing to the Holy Ghost.

The natural man will never understand the things of the spirit, at least not in this life.

Oh no wait. I can't agree with that. The Bible tells us that God is not the author of confusion. Trump has caused nothing but chaos from the time he took oath. Trump isn't from God, ajax.

[_Gunnar]

Oh no wait. I can't agree with that. The Bible tells us that God is not the author of confusion. Trump has caused nothing but chaos from the time he took oath. Trump isn't from God, ajax.

Well said, Jersey Girl!