Joe Biden accused of sexual assault

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Re: Joe Biden accused of sexual assault

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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 11:48 pm
Seriously? You have to stop kissing Biden's ass.
You know you're starting to sound as irrational and idiotic as ajax? Is that on purpose?
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Some Schmo wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:20 pm
You know you're starting to sound as irrational and idiotic as ajax? Is that on purpose?
What? That is you! You said, "Woman files report, people listen, take it seriously, investigate, find out this one is ____ That's the way it's supposed to work". Real life is much more complicated than that. It is very hard to prove or disprove something that allegedly happened 20 years ago.
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Have you listened to anything this woman has said? Have you read about her history? Have you seen her story evolve? She's not credible. True stories don't evolve. Fiction evolves.

More importantly, why didn't this idiotic story come out when Biden was being vetting for VP?

damned think, man.
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True stories "evolve" too, but they don't typically evolve in the way Reade's has. It's a strike against her allegations, for sure.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:42 pm
Have you listened to anything this woman has said? Have you read about her history? Have you seen her story evolve? She's not credible. True stories don't evolve. Fiction evolves.
You said, "That's the way it's supposed to work". You can't prove or disprove most allegations, so that is not the way it works in real life for many cases.

True stories can evolve because

1. People are complicated
2. Recovered memory
3. Biden said, "For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts, whether or not it’s been made worse or better over time." So with Biden's standard Tara Reade is telling the truth and it doesn't matter how many times she contradicts herself.

There is no evidence that disproves her allegation. I don't think she is telling the truth, but I can't be 100% sure
EAllusion wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:58 pm
True stories "evolve" too
THANK YOU!!
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Re: Joe Biden accused of sexual assault

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And two women accused Biden of sexual misconduct.

"The ultimate irony is that Joe Biden was a prime mover behind the Obama-era Title IX rules that short-circuited due process on campus. As Robby Soave of Reason magazine notes, “If the allegation against Biden were being decided by the kind of adjudication system that he helped enshrine of college campuses, it’s quite likely that he would be found guilty.”

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... ard-241173
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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:07 pm
You said, "That's the way it's supposed to work". You can't prove or disprove most allegations, so that is not the way it works in real life for many cases.
I didn't say her story was disproved, but on a continuum of probabilities, the likelihood of her story being accurate is very low.

Yes, strictly speaking, I don't know for sure if she's lying. Strictly speaking, I don't know if Mormons are lying when they tell me they know the church is true, either.

Guess how much I believe either proposition.
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EAllusion wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:58 pm
True stories "evolve" too, but they don't typically evolve in the way Reade's has. It's a strike against her allegations, for sure.
There's a difference between more information coming to light and the story changing to suit its current environment. I don't consider more information "evolving the story" (although I suppose I can see someone thinking their understanding of the story is evolving with more information).
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Some Schmo wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:32 pm
I didn't say her story was disproved, but on a continuum of probabilities, the likelihood of her story being accurate is very low.
I agree.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:36 pm
There's a difference between more information coming to light and the story changing to suit its current environment. I don't consider more information "evolving the story" (although I suppose I can see someone thinking their understanding of the story is evolving with more information).
People are complicated.
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