Did this really just happen?

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_Doctor CamNC4Me
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Re: Did this really just happen?

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[quote="Jersey Girl" post_id=1226638 time=1591064567 user_id=16]
Question: Is there anyone who can legally pull Trump down off the ceiling and if so, who and how?[/quote]

The Senate.

You should read this opinion piece from CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/opinions ... index.html

I’d like to think this is Trump’s presidential post mortem. It’s an excellent, eloquent, almost poetic description of his complete and total unsuitability for the office of President.

- Doc
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:22 am
Question: Is there anyone who can legally pull Trump down off the ceiling and if so, who and how?
Not sure what you mean by off the ceiling.
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Re: Did this really just happen?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:49 am
Jersey Girl wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:22 am
Question: Is there anyone who can legally pull Trump down off the ceiling and if so, who and how?
The Senate.

You should read this opinion piece from CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/opinions ... index.html

I’d like to think this is Trump’s presidential post mortem. It’s an excellent, eloquent, almost poetic description of his complete and total unsuitability for the office of President.

- Doc
Link is broken. Got another?
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Re: Did this really just happen?

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Uh. I’m not sure because it works for me. I’ll re-paste it:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/opinions ... index.html

On a sad note BLM and antifa criminals torch a multi-unit complex with children trapped inside AND BLOCK THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FROM ACCESS:

https://www.nbc12.com/2020/05/31/its-un ... -protests/

Also, watching the news feed from LA today masses of white supremacist looters suspiciously made out to look like Black and Chicano thieves were emptying out a large store, in broad daylight, with no one around to stop it. Goddamn white people.

- Doc
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Re: Did this really just happen?

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Gadianton wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:24 am
honorentheos wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:05 am
Federal troops? Against the law. Not disputable.
Shouldn't the religious right go get their guns and defend their soil?

Sure, they celebrate now because it's people they don't like, but this isn't about consistency, but the slippery slope.

If the precedent gets established, then next time, when the Democrat is in office, what will they do? Maybe that gun roundup one of my right-wing friends fears will really happen?
Setting aside the call to arms for the religious right, the slippery slope argument of precedent seems legit to me. But less about guns, more about executive power. Suppose Trump invokes the insurrection act and tells all insurgents to disperse before they are met with big dogs and bigger guns carried by the active duty military. Essentially declaring martial law against the wishes of state governors would be a power grab for the executive branch that every real conservative should find appalling. It would push back the posse comitatus acts intent to prevent the Federal government from carrying out mundane police activities against state rights and be, in effect, a crossing of the Rubicon moment in our republic in my opinion. Gun lover or those opposed to widespread gun proliferation in the public should be equally concerned with the concentration of power in the executive branch this represents, taking power from both states and Congress. It's not something anyone should applaud, and I think everyone should be troubled by the possibility it's being discussed as on the table.
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Re: Did this really just happen?

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honorentheos wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:11 am
Heh. Plausible equals necessary because extremist propoganda printer goes brrr.

Death squads is a branding choice, EAllusion. You insert it in to describe military activities on the part of the US government where only certain anti-government, anti-military extremists would use it. Then you slide that right over to describing what Gaetz was calling for because you and I both know it carries explicit connection to dictatorial behaviour and political terror squads. That's a branding choice intended to paint the statement a certain way.

That isn't even in question. What is, in my opinion, is if you can even see clearly enough to recognize that and this is all part of the game of internetz. Or it truly is baked into your worldview such that you can't see it for the overextended reference it is, or why that does damage to the very cause I think we commonly believe in here. It's...well. it's something.
Oh, so your problem is with describing extrajudicial killings as political retribution "death squads" if the US military does it. If the military of Chile does it, then it's fine I suppose.

And, if the US military was, in the United States, hunting down and killing people for their association with a political label, that can't be called a "death squad" because describing America's military that way would be hyperbole. Because it can't be political terror if America does it. Unlike those other countries.
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EAllusion wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:33 am
honorentheos wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:11 am
Heh. Plausible equals necessary because extremist propoganda printer goes brrr.

Death squads is a branding choice, EAllusion. You insert it in to describe military activities on the part of the US government where only certain anti-government, anti-military extremists would use it. Then you slide that right over to describing what Gaetz was calling for because you and I both know it carries explicit connection to dictatorial behaviour and political terror squads. That's a branding choice intended to paint the statement a certain way.

That isn't even in question. What is, in my opinion, is if you can even see clearly enough to recognize that and this is all part of the game of internetz. Or it truly is baked into your worldview such that you can't see it for the overextended reference it is, or why that does damage to the very cause I think we commonly believe in here. It's...well. it's something.
Oh, so your problem is with describing extrajudicial killings as political retribution "death squads" if the US military does it. If the military of Chile does it, then it's fine I suppose.

And, if the US military was, in the United States, hunting down and killing people for their association with a political label, that can't be called a "death squad" because describing America's military that way would be hyperbole. Because it can't be political terror if America does it. Unlike those other countries.
Sure. That's my problem. You are pretty broken if this is how you think. Branding is branding, and extending what Gaetz described beyond its already horrific but explicit statement to ensure it carries even heavier historical overtones is branding. Or propoganda. Whatever you want to call it I guess. Just don't call it the facts.
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Re: Did this really just happen?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:49 am
Jersey Girl wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:22 am
Question: Is there anyone who can legally pull Trump down off the ceiling and if so, who and how?
The Senate.

You should read this opinion piece from CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/opinions ... index.html

I’d like to think this is Trump’s presidential post mortem. It’s an excellent, eloquent, almost poetic description of his complete and total unsuitability for the office of President.

- Doc
That's what I was thinking but I didn't want to presume. Thanks I'll read the article right now!
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Re: Did this really just happen?

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:57 am
Jersey Girl wrote:
Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:22 am
Question: Is there anyone who can legally pull Trump down off the ceiling and if so, who and how?
Not sure what you mean by off the ceiling.
Threatening military action, shaming governors into "dominating" the public, the dangerous divisive crackpottery he's trying to pull off.
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Re: Did this really just happen?

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RI I'm talking about Trump escalating into what would essentially be a blood bath in our streets. I can't say it any better than that.
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