Did this really just happen?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

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That article doesn’t make any sense, and again Icarus, I don’t really get what your love affair is with revolutionary Marxist communism, but you’re really playing with fire if you think these guys would welcome you into their fold if they get their way. The hard-left is very, very dangerous and you’re just trading fascism with Trump for another nightmare dressed in olive green military garb.

Anyway. Of course the FBI didn’t get any intel on antifa. It’s composed of pan-leftist groups composed of leftists of different stripes. They all seem to have different views of what they think the ideal social order looks like. Some of them are Marxists, some are Leninists, some are social democrats or anarchists. But they cohere around a response to what they perceive as a common threat which are in short order capitalism, white patriarchy, and cultural imperialism.

Anyway. People have eyeballs. We have Twitter, and Google, and tv. We see enough ‘antifa types’ to know they’re using the protest to create chaos, which invites overreaction, which invites counterreaction, which leads to civil war. And as always, the people that pay the heaviest price for their revolution are the poor, followed by the middle class, and then maybe a percentage of the wealthy. We see that happening right now. They’re using poor POCs to riot and loot to sow chaos so their sociopolitical aims are facilitated. Antifa is right there in the mix, just are various factions of far-left types, working together to create suffering.

Maybe we’ll see some social equality come out of this. Maybe some more free ____ will happen for poor people. I dunno. But if I were you I’d be side-eyeing the ____ out of these people, because we know what happens if their economic demands are met. And we’re seeing what happens when they aren’t. There’s no upside.

- Doc
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:lol: :lol:

Are you kidding me?

Let's get something straight. I'm not "in love" with antifa and I don't give a damn any of them and I'm sure as hell nnot trying to be accepted by them. How anyone with a functioning brain could come to that conclusion by me simply pointing out that the [url=https://www.huffpost.com/entry/protests ... ti5UfoewaA]Right Wing media's attempt[/url] to use them as a distraction from the reason there are protests, is beyond me. Yes, we all have Twitter and google, and anyone who does any amount of critical thinking will see more attempts by people pretending to be Antifa than from actual Antifa. As far as I can tell, with literally hundreds of protests around the country the only clear evidence of Antifa involvement is in places like Portland where we've always known Antifa existed. In most other cases, it is merely assumed that anyone who is white and dressed in black during in a riot must be Antifa. You say you're informed because you have Twitter, but hell, we know [url=https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/02/tech/ant ... index.html]white supremacists are posing as Antifa on Twitter too.[/url]

It all started with [url=https://www.foxnews.com/media/dan-bongi ... the-nation]Dan Bongino going off on a FOX News rant[/url] using Antifa as a convenient distraction from the main issues at hand, and the next morning Trump announces Antifa to be a terrorist group. They haven't been able to come up with any evidence that Antifa is behind much of anything, and that was the purpose of the post. The FBI hasn't seen any evidence so why in the F is the President declaring a non-existed organization a terrorist organization based off nothing more than the Right's hilarious obsession with using ANtifa as their eternal boogeyman when it is convenient.
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Your dogged determination to sidestep my observation about your love affair with communism is noted in addition to your constant and unrelenting hard-left narrative. The fact that you either don't see or actively embrace their narrative is the exact thing that's pushing us to civil conflict. You're basically the flipside to Ajax's coin, only with a thin veil of 'racial justice' to cover for your politics. It's fairly obvious to the discerning non-partisan reader. It's too bad.

- Doc

[_Jersey Girl]

Local news video from tonight. I don't really have a comment at the moment. NSFW Graphic language. Cop and protesters.


WARNING GRAPHIC LANGUAGE: Colorado Springs officer confronts protester in powerful video
https://www.kktv.com/video?vid=57097157 ... NP_fkXSHck

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

[quote="Jersey Girl" post_id=1226868 time=1591153951 user_id=16]
Local news video from tonight. I don't really have a comment at the moment. NSFW Graphic language. Cop and protesters.

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WARNING GRAPHIC LANGUAGE: Colorado Springs officer confronts protester in powerful video[/b]
https://www.kktv.com/video?vid=57097157 ... NP_fkXSHck
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Man, I feel for that guy. What a weird convoluted bizarro world you exist in when you’re DEMANDING that a black cop bend the knee to YOUR whim. Instead of screaming and crying at the guy, in my opinion, if she were truly interested in racial equanimity, she could’ve just asked him how he’s doing, what he thinks of the protests, and what she could do to advance the cause from his perspective.

But instead she’s trying to manipulate the situation and make it about herself. Not a good look.

- Doc

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

So. This just happened. Notice the lookaround before the beating commences, the knee to the neck, and, well, the rest of it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout ... ed_around/

This kind of goes back to a comment I made upthread where I wish we could just dissolve all municipal police departments, and bring them under one federal force where hiring and trng practices are uniform. I’m not sure how this changes if just days before George Floyd was murdered in much the same way, but we have officers administering a beatdown once the suspect is on the ground face down. Anyone have any suggestions?

- Doc

[_Jersey Girl]

Anyone have any suggestions?

- Doc

I basically don't know crap right now. There was another video from my general area where cops had a protester on the ground and it looked like one officer was punching him in the back. A person in the comments (who seemed to know what they were talking about) said it was a distraction technique to get the guy to take his hands out from under his stomach (he was face down) so they could grab his hands and cuff him.

I suppose...I'd like to see what police policies, procedures, and training manuals/courses have to say before I make any assumptions about who is/who is not stepping over the line.

[_Jersey Girl]

Man, I feel for that guy. What a weird convoluted bizarro world you exist in when you’re DEMANDING that a black cop bend the knee to YOUR whim. Instead of screaming and crying at the guy, in my opinion, if she were truly interested in racial equanimity, she could’ve just asked him how he’s doing, what he thinks of the protests, and what she could do to advance the cause from his perspective.

But instead she’s trying to manipulate the situation and make it about herself. Not a good look.

- Doc

She was barking up the wrong tree there and too self absorbed/stupid/ignorant/naïve/intellectually blind to know it. It reminded me of a teen trying to tantrum her mother into give her the cell phone back she was grounded from.

Hey I did that without swearing!

[_EAllusion]

Even if you describe "antifa" as a grab-bag of leftwing movements, it doesn't really make sense to say the rioting, vandalism, and looting is being driven by antifa. There's clearly black bloc anarchists and other assorted leftists engaging in those things, but there appears to be a diverse set of motivations among the rioters, arsonists, thiefs, and vandals. This is including both right-wingers and a whole heck of a lot of people opportunistically participating in mayhem. There's no evidence that antifa, however you choose to label it, is the organizer of that. They're participants in chaos and, more narrowly defined to actual self-identified antifa, seemingly not all that impactful. Hence the FBI story.

And when you unpack that, there's also the issue that this is happening simultaneously across numerous cities with quite different impacts. Minneapolis experienced the worst riot since Rodney King, but that's not the national story. What's going on in each of these cities is different, and appears to be evolving over time. Right now, we appear to be looking at a lot of police riots and I can't fathom how anyone would describe antifa as the author of that.

[_Some Schmo]

Antifa is just a target to distract from what the GOP's culpability in all of this is. They don't want anyone thinking about all the white supremacists in their base who are just fine with cops killing black men.

Antifa is the latest laser dot on the wall all the right wing cats are chasing (when they aren't hunting down the end of a rainbow).

[_EAllusion]

Also, if we're going for metaphors to describe scapegoating Antifa, I would've gone with blaming Christians for the burning of Rome.

[_EAllusion]

The scale of the protests still seems to be expanding. Understandably so, but man does that come with risks. Coronavirus spreads much more effectively in confined breathing spaces, but with the size of some of these and all the shouting and close contact, it's going to be a miracle if this doesn't drive a large wave of infections.