Fauci is either a liar or a fraud

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ajax18 wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:53 am
You have good farm Ragnar. Many men would like to have your land. You should be happy with your lot.

I think of the billions we spend in court yapping and never coming to any resolution most of the time. Perhaps our ancestors had a better way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJSmpg946Xs
If your first preference is to settle disputes with sword fights, I can see why you think partitioning is better option. They are both destabilizing and digressive, though. Why wish for society to devolve into a place where eye glasses become a luxury most people won't afford because they are living in an apocalypse after society collapsed. I mean you were arguing earlier against defunding law enforcement to now argue for the exact same societal conditions. Who needs justice when trial by combat is a tidy solution, right?

Yikes.
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ajax18 wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:39 am
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/70-co ... spartanntp

Trying to get along with the other side isn't pretty either. Do you realize many of the slaves had better lives here in America than they did in their native Africa. It's not all about prosperity. People don't like being cheated.
I'm lost. You shared a link to an article about test sites being damaged or destroyed and then captioned it with an argument people who were brought here as slaves - and survived the journey which had horrific mortality rates - were luck compared to their fellows who remained in Africa because...?

I can't follow your line of thought here. You are going to have to spell it out for me.
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ajax18 wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:39 am
Do you realize many of the slaves had better lives here in America than they did in their native Africa.
Do you realize many West Virginians prefer to live in abject ignorance? They really, really like knowing practically nothing. They love being treated like idiots. It's their favorite f u c king thing.

And they are much better off being treated like morons. The moment you start to pretend they have a brain, you'll have to pretend to care about their thoughts. You can't give them a taste for that or they'll only want more. They're better off this way.
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So, according to Ajax, it’s completely okay to deprive people of their freedom as long as we think they’d be better off. Stalin is crying tears of joy.

P.S. He just laid out the moral justification for taking all the guns away. Let’s go pick ‘em up. /snark
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Arizona is all over the place right now. I go into stores with a disposable mask on and can be the only person wearing one who doesn't work there. I drove by a sports bar yesterday evening that was packed. What are they watching if there are no sports? But I've also seen quite a few places that had almost no one in them which leaves me feeling a bit sad for those working there. Again, it seems like people are acting like it's ok to socialize again but in an erratic, haphazard way.

I've had in person meetings for work again after two months plus of virtual meetings. Thankfully my office isn't in a rush to send everyone back in and is waiting for better guidance before doing so. But I've heard many peers saying they are back in offices as well as agencies and others who are all in offices again trying to social distance but that's about it.

When the stay home order expired, the Governor claimed it was the right thing to do because the hospitals were ready. This week the largest provider network, Banner Health, reported they are at capacity for assisted breathing facilities as well as approaching capacity on ICU bed occupancy, and the response was to order hospitals to activate their emergency plans to be ready for even more cases.

So, here we go I guess.
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Bill Maher had a bit on how the reopening is inconsistent and haphazard. He wanted to know why churches could reopen but not comedy clubs. I've been thinking about comedy clubs for a while now and thought the same thing: why should we let one form of joke telling continue in public and not the purer form?

I have to admit that I feel comedy is among the professions hardest hit by this pandemic, largely because of how unessential most people regard it.

I would posit that comedy is to secularists what religion is to theists. The only real difference is how seriously the audience takes the show.
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honorentheos wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:44 pm
Arizona is all over the place right now. I go into stores with a disposable mask on and can be the only person wearing one who doesn't work there. I drove by a sports bar yesterday evening that was packed. What are they watching if there are no sports? But I've also seen quite a few places that had almost no one in them which leaves me feeling a bit sad for those working there. Again, it seems like people are acting like it's ok to socialize again but in an erratic, haphazard way.

I've had in person meetings for work again after two months plus of virtual meetings. Thankfully my office isn't in a rush to send everyone back in and is waiting for better guidance before doing so. But I've heard many peers saying they are back in offices as well as agencies and others who are all in offices again trying to social distance but that's about it.

When the stay home order expired, the Governor claimed it was the right thing to do because the hospitals were ready. This week the largest provider network, Banner Health, reported they are at capacity for assisted breathing facilities as well as approaching capacity on ICU bed occupancy, and the response was to order hospitals to activate their emergency plans to be ready for even more cases.

So, here we go I guess.
My parents are in their 80s and live in the Phoenix area. Looking at the numbers and reading about the hospitals makes me feel ill with worry. It's very difficult for me to come to grips with the fact that I will lose friends and family to the virus, even though I know its true. It's orders of magnitude worse to see them put at additional risk by out and out stupidity.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:22 pm
My parents are in their 80s and live in the Phoenix area. Looking at the numbers and reading about the hospitals makes me feel ill with worry. It's very difficult for me to come to grips with the fact that I will lose friends and family to the virus, even though I know its true. It's orders of magnitude worse to see them put at additional risk by out and out stupidity.
I feel for you. We have friends here who are in the most susceptible demographics including a retired friend who recently beat lung cancer. They are serious about keeping their distance, and we keep in touch only by phone and one twenty foot chat across the yard from the sidewalk but it's clear that until there is a vaccine it's likely life won't be the same for them for some time to come. Yet all around them and us it's almost like the virus isn't happening anymore. No one talks about the spike in cases or hospitalizations. Going out, seeing masks was the norm but now it's flipped and very few people other than workers are wearing them from what I've been seeing. In one of my work meetings I had to attend, I was the only one who brought a mask. It wasn't talked about but it was clear people were uncomfortable with the topic.

We lost any direction from the state and it shows in the way people are reacting in haphazard ways.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:22 pm
My parents are in their 80s and live in the Phoenix area. Looking at the numbers and reading about the hospitals makes me feel ill with worry. It's very difficult for me to come to grips with the fact that I will lose friends and family to the virus, even though I know its true. It's orders of magnitude worse to see them put at additional risk by out and out stupidity.
I feel for you, RI. Both my parents passed long ago but my wife's folks (among my very favorite people on earth) are in their early 70's, and although they live in a place that seems to have the outbreak under control, I still can't help but worry for them. This is a scary time thinking about the people you love. It seems really cavalier to be pushing the economy over public health.
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