Police use of deadly force is extremely rare. The bankers kill way more innocent people.

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You've probably seen it RI, but one of the more notorious examples of what you are talking about involved a video of a man police thought was drinking and driving, but actually was diabetic and suffering from low blood sugar. He was in diabetic shock in his car. The recording of it starts with an officer aggressively confronting the person with his gun drawn and leads to a swarm of officers violently taking him down. You can hear the officers shout "stop resisting" to him as they violently detain him, which is interesting given that people in diabetic shock aren't known for their capacity to resist.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:08 pm
Since the use of body cams began, I've seen too many examples when officers start yelling "stop resisting" the second they touch the suspect. That leads suspects to reflexively try to explain that they aren't resisting, which then leads to more accusations of resisting. It's a ____ tactic that I see way too much of.
Was that what happened with Mr. Brooks?
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EAllusion wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:50 pm
You've probably seen it RI, but one of the more notorious examples of what you are talking about involved a video of a man police thought was drinking and driving, but actually was diabetic and suffering from low blood sugar. He was in diabetic shock in his car. The recording of it starts with an officer aggressively confronting the person with his gun drawn and leads to a swarm of officers violently taking him down. You can hear the officers shout "stop resisting" to him as they violently detain him, which is interesting given that people in diabetic shock aren't known for their capacity to resist.
Yeah, that's one of the examples I was thinking of. If you think about it, a natural physical reaction to being accused of resisting is to say "wait a minute -- that's not true." And there's a natural physical reaction that goes along with that -- trying to stop the confusion so you can be heard. That physical reaction then gets reinterpreted as "resisting." The whole approach is crazy.
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You appear to have obliquely referenced to it in a post, but I also think of the video of Daniel Shaver being murdered in a hotel where police were giving him challenging instructions to follow with guns trained on him with the explicit warning that if he didn't listen, he was dead. It was like the deadliest game of Simon says ever. Shaver pleads for his life and presents no obvious threat, but it wasn't enough, as he did slip up and they gunned him down. It's sickening to watch.

One thought I had with that example is I bet its a large % of people who couldn't make it out of Simon says- life or death edition - alive. Yet, when I saw people commenting on the story, there was a ton of, "if he just listened, he'd been fine." They seem to lack awareness of how hard what they are asking is in the circumstances.
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EAllusion wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:27 pm
You appear to have obliquely referenced to it in a post, but I also think of the video of Daniel Shaver being murdered in a hotel where police were giving him challenging instructions to follow with guns trained on him with the explicit warning that if he didn't listen, he was dead. It was like the deadliest game of Simon says ever. Shaver pleads for his life and presents no obvious threat, but it wasn't enough, as he did slip up and they gunned him down. It's sickening to watch.

One thought I had with that example is I bet its a large % of people who couldn't make it out of Simon says- life or death edition - alive. Yet, when I saw people commenting on the story, there was a ton of, "if he just listened, he'd been fine." They seem to lack awareness of how hard what they are asking is in the circumstances.
I have no doubt that I would have come out of that Simon Says game dead. Full stop.
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ajax18 wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:57 pm
No my argument is that there is no way the police can arrest someone determined to elude justice that everyone will be happy with. It's inevitably dangerous.
Then, perhaps choose the arrest behavior that is not likely to result in someone dying.

It’s pretty safe to say that officers don’t shoot to injure, so opening fire would seem to be the one option to wait on in situations like this, until others were attempted.
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Yeah, the police are in a very tough position. I mean, they have to shoot. They have no other options.

It's like fishermen. If you want to catch a fish, you have no choice but to throw a stick of dynamite into the lake, and pick out the dead fish that float to the top. Nobody's figured out any other way of doing it so far.

*sigh* It's a puzzle.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:30 pm
EAllusion wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:27 pm
You appear to have obliquely referenced to it in a post, but I also think of the video of Daniel Shaver being murdered in a hotel where police were giving him challenging instructions to follow with guns trained on him with the explicit warning that if he didn't listen, he was dead. It was like the deadliest game of Simon says ever. Shaver pleads for his life and presents no obvious threat, but it wasn't enough, as he did slip up and they gunned him down. It's sickening to watch.

One thought I had with that example is I bet its a large % of people who couldn't make it out of Simon says- life or death edition - alive. Yet, when I saw people commenting on the story, there was a ton of, "if he just listened, he'd been fine." They seem to lack awareness of how hard what they are asking is in the circumstances.
I have no doubt that I would have come out of that Simon Says game dead. Full stop.
Yup. One of the big problems is immunity for wrong doing. Until Cops are help responsible for wrong doing not much will change.
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A white man stole $500,000 from the Utah Transit Authority. He was arrested peacefully with a warrant. Another white man stole $71,000 from the same agency. Arrested with a warrant.

I’m fairly certain the police could’ve done the same with that guy once he sobered up. Hell. If they just said they were going to take him to a nice comfy bed at a drunk tank, get him some help, and the system wasn’t going to ruin his life they could’ve gotten him off the streets, saved his life, saved a couple of careers, and maybe helped him deal with apparent alcoholism.

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I'm not sure how or why this video is getting buried so quickly other that to conclude that the left is gaining an ironclad control of social media and the 1st amdendment to advance their narrative. So how do I know that they represented Black Lives Matter? Well they said so. How do I know Black Lives Matter approves of this behavior? Well how do you know President Trump approved of the Charlottesville man running over a protester?

Given the systemic racism that exists along with the white privilege this white man guilty of buying a tank of gas in the ghetto was enjoying, in what way will these kids be brought to justice assuming the police are even allowed to pursue them? Now what if a group of white kids had done this to a black man? First off the video wouldn't be censored but would be all over the news. But I tend to believe their families would be paying out the nose to our legal system. Somehow I don't see these little thugs ever paying a cent for this. This is what white privilege is. And this what systemic racism is.



VIDEO: Teens Allegedly Yelled ‘Black Lives Matter, Bi–h’ As They Beat Gas Station Customer

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Spring, Texas – A group of teens viciously assaulted a man as he was leaving a convenience store on Sunday evening (video below).
“Black lives matter, b—h!” they allegedly yelled at the victim as they punched and kicked him in the face, the victim’s girlfriend, Kelli Tarwater, said in a Facebook post later that night.
The incident occurred at the Exxon Gas Mart located at 7134 Oakwood Glen, the Harris County Sheriff’s Office (HCSO) told The Police Tribune on Tuesday.

Tarwater said that she and her boyfriend, Mason Hatton, live near the convenience store and can walk there in about one minute.
Hatton, 24, who is white, walked over to the store to pick up snacks and cigarettes and was completing his transaction with the clerk when a “group of young black men and women” approached the counter “and demanded to be first,” Tarwater said.
“Mason stated that was almost finished and it should be just a moment,” she wrote, adding that the teens then began to “mock and ridicule him.”
Store security footage showed three males as they exited the store while Hatton finished his transaction.
Hatton gathered up his bags and headed outside, at which point he was intercepted by the three males, the video showed.
A suspect in a white tank top suddenly punched Hatton in the face before the group shoved him into the side of a nearby parked car.
Hatton slid to the ground as the suspects repeatedly punched and kicked him, the video showed.

As the attackers ran off, another suspect emerged from the store and kicked the victim in his face.
The suspects fled the scene while Hatton gathered up his belongings, the video showed.
At no point during the attack did the victim appear to fight back against the teens.

He was bloodied and limping when he arrived back at his home. The couple immediately called police, Tarwater said.
According to the HCSO, the suspects fled the scene in a black sedan and headed in an unknown direction.
Hatton “suffered a swollen lip and a small laceration over his eye” but refused medical treatment, the sheriff’s office told The Police Tribune.
HCSO refused to comment regarding Tarwater’s claims that the suspects yelled “black lives matter, b—h” during the assault, and noted that the investigation into the incident is ongoing.

“As far as I’m concerned this was a hate crime due to what they said and did to him, screamed ‘black lives matter b—h’ as they kicked his face in,” Tarwater wrote. “I will catch these people…I will see these a–holes behind bars.”
Tarwater defended law enforcement and denounced the violent actions that have been carried out by some while screaming “Black Lives Matter.”
Watch the incident unfold in the videos below. Warning – Graphic Content and Obscene Language:
https://bluelivesmatter.blue/video-teen ... Ymyi9Jx_k0
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