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_Icarus
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Welp. No shocker here. According to Bolton's new book, Trump tried to get China to help him win reelection

https://t.co/VKVgobyk8K?amp=1
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Icarus wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:58 pm
Welp. No shocker here. According to Bolton's new book, Trump tried to get China to help him win reelection

https://t.co/VKVgobyk8K?amp=1
That's unconscionable, but there's an even worse allegation in there. Bolton alleges that Trump encouraged Xi more than once to build his concentration camps for the Uyghur genocide. Big caveat about needing a better source, but we're getting into territory where there is no penalty too great if that's true.

It's really hard to be surprised by Trump's malfeasance, but I have a sickening feeling that this one is probably true.
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It is also unconscionable that Bolton would wait for a book opportunity years later instead of disclosing what he knew to Congress ASAP
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I'm legitimately emotionally gut-punched by the concentration camp allegation, because I know there's good odds it's true and I know he'll escape the final justice he deserves if that's true.
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Icarus wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:33 pm
It is also unconscionable that Bolton would wait for a book opportunity years later instead of disclosing what he knew to Congress ASAP
There's so much blame to go around on this one. Bolton for refusing to blow the whistle when it mattered most. The Republican controlled Senate for refusing to solicit his testimony. The Democratic controlled House for refusing to subpoena his testimony post impeachment. Just a cascade of cowardice and indifference.
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In tier two stories, Bolton also alleges that Trump advocated invading Venezuala but was simmered down by his own admin, which had been previously reported via other sources. He alleges Trump advocated for, and had success, in intervening to give favorable outcomes in legal proceedings as personal favors for dictators. That one is fairly out in the open, but still scandalous now that it's being brought up again. He also claims that he advocated for jailing and executing American journalists. Also stories of Trump saying that he should be President for life, which we've seen him "joke" about a bunch of times in public. The allegations are coming out like a fire hose.
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I’m totally reading this book.

edit: Aaaaaand I placed a hold on it. I’m #20 in queue and this is just my tiny little neighborhood library.


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DoJ prosecutors have now recently leaked to the press that the DoJ is considering criminal charges against Bolton. As some leaks are more equal than others, I don't think the conservativeverse is gonna be up in arms about that one. As for the substance of the claim, I'll sip my tea and wait.
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From Slate:

Bolton appeared to agree with the allegations that Trump had pressured Ukraine to investigate his rivals in exchange for security aid. “He said he wasn’t in favor of sending them anything until all Russia-investigation material related to Clinton and Biden had been turned over,” Bolton wrote. According to Bolton, the quid pro quo examined in the impeachment had been explicit, and had Democrats examined Trump’s dealings with Erdogan and Xi, they would have had a much stronger case.

The Xi story was one of many about the recklessness and ignorance of the president, coming from the first such tell-all memoir from a high-ranking member of the president’s administration. Bolton’s portrayal of Trump reinforces nearly every critical account of the president’s leadership style: ignorant of basic geopolitical facts, disinterested in his country’s own intelligence report, unpredictable, unable to resist flattery, and incapable of following his advisers’ policy positions.

And there were many more outrageous moments. Here are some of Bolton’s other allegations published in the excerpt and detailed in reporting from the New York Times and Washington Post:

• Trump discussed a desire to oust Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro to please Republican voters in Florida. But Trump was later “largely persuaded” by Vladimir Putin of Maduro’s positive qualities when the Russian president compared the opposition leader Juan Guaidó to Hillary Clinton. Trump also said invading Venezuela would be “cool” and that it was “really part of the United States.”

• Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan told Trump that Halkbank, a Turkish firm under investigation by American authorities for violating Iranian sanctions, was innocent. Trump “then told Erdogan that he would take care of things, explaining that the Southern District prosecutors were not his people, but were Obama people, a problem that would be fixed when they were replaced by his people.”

• More than once, Trump appeared to reassure Xi that he was right to build camps in Xinjiang for Uighur citizens. Trump also asked Bolton once why the U.S. was considering sanctions over China’s treatment of the Uighurs. (On Wednesday, after publication of Bolton’s allegations, Trump signed a bill calling for sanctions against those responsible for the repression of Uighur Muslims in China.)

• Trump implied in a conversation with Xi that constitutional limits on presidential terms should be repealed.

• Trump once came close to pulling the U.S. out of NATO on little more than a whim.

• In a meeting with Teresa May, Trump asked if Britain had nuclear weapons. Trump also once asked if Finland was part of Russia.

• Trump frequently mixed up world leaders.

• He kept telling different advisers that they were in charge of border policy.

• Trump wrote a defense of Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman after the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in order to take away from a negative story about Ivanka Trump.

• Secretary of State Mike Pompeo once slipped Bolton a note in a meeting that just said, “He is so full of crap.”
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