Chinese dog meat festival

[_EAllusion]

I don’t know specific consumption rates, but I do know dog is not consumed enough in China to be akin to, say, eating chicken. You cannot stereotype over a billion this way any more than you can say Americans love gator meat. Some do.

[_EAllusion]

I know people from West Africa who are disgusted by and even afraid of the idea of keeping dogs as pets. You might as well be telling them that you sleep at night with a wild boar. It’s one of those things that highlights cultural differences to me.

[_Jersey Girl]

What compelled me to open this post? Boredom? What the heck did I do to get mentioned in this?

This one's for you Jersey Girl. Can we both agree this is just wrong?

They butcher Pugs. You're damn right it's wrong!

That said.

I didn't read your whole post. I know more about the wet meat markets than I ever cared to know. I don't think I can rightly and with good conscience, criticize the dietary intake of other cultures. I do think I would like to see what I think of as more humane and sanitary practices. Example, Dr. Temple Grandin (one of my favorite people on the planet) devoted her adult life to developing humane slaughtering practices and designing systems to facilitate those practices in the US and continues to teach about these practices as a professor at CSU. I'd like to see her or someone like her, go there and advise.

On the other hand, it is my understanding that the Chinese Mafia is involved in the wet meat markets. That needs looking into by the powers that be.

So yeah, even though it grosses me out to think of humans eating dogs, bats, and all that, I do think other cultures have a right to engage in their own dietary practices.

Except for the Pugs. I draw the line at Pugs.

I think I wrote here months ago about a Pug rescuer in California who had a group of Pugs ready for rescue from Wuhan just when the virus hit full speed. She had tried to get a flight arranged to no avail because flights were grounded. She never managed to accomplish the rescue so those Pugs were likely slaughtered and sold in a wet meat market. You can probably read about that here: https://www.thepugqueen.org/ or on her Facebook page.

I visited Scotland two years ago. Would you eat Haggis?

Because I did.
:surprised:

[_Chap]

What compelled me to open this post? Boredom? What the heck did I do to get mentioned in this?

This one's for you Jersey Girl. Can we both agree this is just wrong?

They butcher Pugs. You're damn right it's wrong! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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If it is wrong to butcher pugs, it is equally wrong to butcher pigs. They feel fear just as much, and suffer just as much.

From an earlier post:

[...]

All animals with enough awareness to know what is going on make a lot of noise when they are being killed while conscious, and in many cases they give voice to their terror at the sight (and smell) of other animals being killed. There is nothing special about dogs. Pigs, which live in groups that often have strong social bonds (if their living conditions allow it) are terrified when the killing starts. Here is a short recording of their screams:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GQyv48pMiA

As I said:

Frankly, I suggest we give up discussing the moral edibility of animals based on whether they wag their tails at us and lick our faces. An animal's right to life does not depend on whether they have been bred to be nice to humans. Eat one, eat them all (if they taste good, of course).

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There is nothing wrong or ridiculous in you feeling upset about an animal being killed that resembles one that you regard with great affection. That's normal. But though it would be an unkind act (and therefore wrong) for a person to thrust images of pug-killing on your attention, your feelings of affection are irrelevant to the general question of whether it is, in general, more wrong to kill pugs than pigs.

To remind you, I speak as a meat-eater.

[_Jersey Girl]

Hey Chap did you want to respond to the totality of my post or are you cherry picking just so you can pontificate?

Just curious.
;-)

[_Jersey Girl]

See all this stuff? Looks like you chose to ignore the meat of my post.

I didn't read your whole post. I know more about the wet meat markets than I ever cared to know. I don't think I can rightly and with good conscience, criticize the dietary intake of other cultures. I do think I would like to see what I think of as more humane and sanitary practices. Example, Dr. Temple Grandin (one of my favorite people on the planet) devoted her adult life to developing humane slaughtering practices and designing systems to facilitate those practices in the US and continues to teach about these practices as a professor at CSU. I'd like to see her or someone like her, go there and advise.

On the other hand, it is my understanding that the Chinese Mafia is involved in the wet meat markets. That needs looking into by the powers that be.

So yeah, even though it grosses me out to think of humans eating dogs, bats, and all that, I do think other cultures have a right to engage in their own dietary practices.

[_Chap]

Looks like you chose to ignore the meat of my post.

- that's a good one!

Of course we agree on the 'they can eat what they want' angle.

I'm a lot more interested in the parts of your post relating to the issue of 'how can they kill sweet little animals like that?'

To make it short, I'd like to ask why we don't move from that question to the question of:

'In fact, how can we kill any animals that scream in agony and terror when they are being killed, even if they are not sweet little pugs?' And why do we simply smile indulgently at the person who goes all the way to China on a pug rescue mission, but regard quite differently a person who makes the rounds of meat producers on a pig rescue mission? What's the difference?

(By the way, I bought some ham today, and as I posted above I have eaten dog meat too, so I pretend to no moral superiority here.)

[_moksha]

I visited Scotland two years ago. Would you eat Haggis?

Because I did.
:surprised:

Yuck. What are those Scots thinking when they eat that stuff? People need less than fully functioning tastebuds to eat organ meats. The Word of Wisdom should have handled that stuff (except they ate the entire animal back in the 19th Century, including the snout and feet). Of course, I've eaten chicken feet as part of dim sum, but at least that was not haggis.

[_Chap]

Yuck. What are those Scots thinking when they eat that stuff?

What is it about this recipe that worries you?

TRADITIONAL HAGGIS
1 ox bung [Chap note: that's the bag the haggis goes in, part of an ox stomach]
1.4kg lamb's pluck, (heart, lungs and liver)
500g of beef, or lamb trimmings or stewing steak
200g of suet
500g of oatmeal, (coarse)
SEASONING (ADJUST TO TASTE)
2 tbsp of black pepper, ground
1 nutmeg, finely grated
4 tbsp of coriander seeds
4 tbsp of fine sea salt

It's all minced up together, of course. Frankly, if any of that upsets you, I think you need to make sure that you never eat a supermarket sausage again!

Anyone from the US eaten chitterlings here? Yet another of my culinary adventures. Not bad!

Oh, how about Andouillette? Great with mustard and some good red wine.