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Violence by far-right is among US’s most dangerous terrorist threats, study finds

Center for Strategic and International Studies analysis of domestic terrorist incidents found majority have come from far right


Yup, you read that right. As the article reports " “Far-right terrorism has significantly outpaced terrorism from other types of perpetrators.” ... The report shows the far left has been an increasingly negligible source of attacks since the mid 2000s."
Violence by far-right groups and individuals has emerged as one of the most dangerous terrorist threats faced by US law enforcement and triggered a wave of warnings and arrests of people associated with those extremist movements.

The most recent in-depth analysis of far-right terrorism comes from the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS).

In a report released last week, the Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States, CSIS analyses 25 years of domestic terrorism incidents and finds that the majority of attacks and plots have come from the far right.

The report says “the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of rightwing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years”, with the far right launching two-thirds of attacks and plots in 2019, and 90% of those in 2020.

The report adds: “Far-right terrorism has significantly outpaced terrorism from other types of perpetrators.” The second most significant source of attacks and plots in the US has been “religious extremists”, almost all “Salafi jihadists inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaida”.

The report shows the far left has been an increasingly negligible source of attacks since the mid 2000s. At that time the FBI defined arsons and other forms of property damage as domestic terrorism during a period some have called the “Green Scare”.

The CSIS study came during a new wave of terror attacks and plots from white supremacist and anti-government extremists.

Last Monday, the Department of Justice announced that it had brought an array of charges, including terrorism related offenses, against a US army soldier who subscribed to a mix of white supremacist and satanist beliefs which are characteristic of so-called “accelerationist” neo-nazis like Atomwaffen Division.

Last week, federal charges were brought on Steven Carillo for the murder of a federal security officer and a sheriff’s deputy. Like the three men arrested for an alleged terror plot in Nevada earlier this month, the FBI says Carillo identified with the extreme anti-government “boogaloo” movement, which is principally concerned with removing government regulation of firearms.

But critics question the timing and motivations of the intelligence community’s pivot to combatting rightwing extremism as it comes at a time when some are arguing the legal and institutional counterterrorism apparatus developed to combat overseas terror groups should now be adapted to domestic extremists.

For some that has deep implications for civil liberties and constitutional rights, especially when it comes to suggestions that new laws should be drafted to certify such groups as domestic terrorist organizations.

Eric Ward, executive director of the civil rights nonprofit the Western States Center, said: “We are deeply concerned by the idea of any type of law that creates a legal definition around domestic terrorism. There are significant laws already on the books that meet the challenges of this moment.”

Ward said that rather than new laws, “we need a responsible leadership that is actually willing to use the tools that are already on hand”.

Ward added: “Too often we have to respond to political crisis with criminalization. And I think that is a mistake”.

But the push for new laws is an ongoing one.

In April, a joint report from George Washington University’s Program on extremism (GWU PoE) and the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) included a proposal for a “rights protecting domestic terrorism statute”. They said the law could provide “more tools for the investigation and prosecution of groups and individuals” associated with rightwing extremism.

The report did acknowledge “significant constitutional questions” would be raised by such a statute, and the possibility of “unintended consequences, particularly for members of minorities”.

There are also concerns around the creation of a surveillance state.

The GWU/ADL proposal called for increased information sharing between law enforcement agencies, increased data collection and increased resourcing.

Similar arguments have been made by influential legal and national security academics, national security nonprofits and policy shops.

Congressman Max Rose, a New York Democrat, has gone further in calling for the formal designation of US-based groups with international connections as Foreign Terror Organizations.

The FBI, meanwhile, is increasingly prepared to make comparisons between right wing extremists and Islamist terror groups.

Seth Jones, the lead author of the CSIS report, offered qualified support for the formal designation of terror groups, saying: “I still think it’s important to think through the first amendment implications and other pros and cons. But I do support taking a serious look at designation.”

Designation could open the way, he said, to also investigating people who support such groups without having formal membership in any.

But critics are alarmed by what they see as the application of ideas derived from the “war on terror” to domestic extremists.

Mike German, Brennan Center fellow, is a former FBI agent who investigated rightwing extremists but is now focused on law enforcement and intelligence oversight and reform. He sees arguments for domestic terror statutes as part of a broader reorientation of the “national security establishment” away from conflicts in the Middle East.

German attributes this move to a realization “that Isis and al-Qaida were were not as threatening to Americans as they had been, and that foreign counter-terrorism in general was sort of running out of steam”.

German said: “It’s a way of expanding the target realm that gives the counterterrorism enterprise targets that they can use to to get statistical accomplishments, rather than looking at whether or not the violence itself is reduced.”

German has argued federal authorities should prioritize the investigation of the violent crimes of far right extremists, and call them terrorist acts where appropriate, but that they should be prosecuted using existing laws, with a consideration of alternative responses like restorative justice.

He added: “When I worked these cases in the 1990s, no one suggested that we didn’t have sufficient legal authority.”
The original report is available in full here:

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalatin ... ted-states

Its conclusion makes worrying reading:
THE RISING SPECTER OF TERRORISM

Our data suggest that right-wing extremists pose the most significant terrorism threat to the United States, based on annual terrorist events and fatalities. Over the next year, the threat of terrorism in the United States will likely increase based on several factors, such as the November 2020 presidential election and the response to the Covid-19 crisis. These factors are not the cause of terrorism, but they are events and developments likely to fuel anger and be co-opted by a small minority of extremists as a pretext for violence.

First, the November 2020 presidential election will likely be a significant source of anger and polarization that increases the possibility of terrorism. Some—though not all—far-right extremists associate themselves with President Trump and may resort to violence before or after the election. As U.S. Department of Justice documents have highlighted, some far-right extremists have referred to themselves as “Trumpenkriegers”—or “fighters for Trump.”50 If President Trump loses the election, some extremists may use violence because they believe—however incorrectly—that there was fraud or that the election of Democratic candidate Joe Biden will undermine their extremist objectives. Alternatively, some on the far-left could resort to terrorism if President Trump is re-elected. In June 14, 2017, James Hodgkinson—a left-wing extremist—shot U.S. House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, U.S. Capitol Police officer Crystal Griner, congressional aide Zack Barth, and lobbyist Matt Mika in Alexandria, VA. A few months earlier, Hodgkinson wrote in a Facebook post that “Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It’s Time to Destroy Trump & Co.”51 Tension on both the far right and far left has dramatically risen over the past several years.

Second, developments associated with Covid-19—such as prolonged unemployment or government attempts to close “non-essential” businesses in response to a second or third wave—could increase the possibility of terrorism. Some far-right extremists, for example, have threatened violence and railed against federal, state, and local efforts to take away their freedoms by requiring face coverings in public indoor settings, closing businesses, and prohibiting large gatherings to curb the spread of the virus. In March 2020, Timothy Wilson, who had ties to neo-Nazi groups, was killed in a shootout with FBI agents who were attempting to arrest him for planning to bomb a hospital in Missouri. Though he had been planning the attack for some time and had considered a variety of targets, he used the outbreak of Covid-19 to target a hospital in order to gain additional publicity. On the far left and far right, some anti-vaxxers—who oppose vaccines as a conspiracy by the government and pharmaceutical companies—have threatened violence in response to Covid-19 response efforts.52

Third, a polarizing event other than the presidential election—such as a school shooting or racially-motivated killing—could spark protests that extremists attempt to hijack. As highlighted in the introduction, extremists from all sides attempted to hijack the May and June 2020 protests in the United States as an excuse to commit acts of terrorism. In addition, far-right and far-left networks have used violence against each other at protests—such as in Berkeley, CA and Charlottesville, VA in 2017—raising concerns about escalating violence.

All parts of U.S. society have an important role to play in countering terrorism. Politicians need to encourage greater civility and refrain from incendiary language. Social media companies need to continue sustained efforts to fight hatred and terrorism on their platforms. Facebook, Google, Twitter, and other companies are already doing this. But the struggle will only get more difficult as the United States approaches the November 2020 presidential election—and even in its aftermath. Finally, the U.S. population needs to be more alert to disinformation, double-check their sources of information, and curb incendiary language.

Terrorism feeds off lies, conspiracies, disinformation, and hatred. Indian leader Mahatma Gandhi urged individuals to practice what he called “satyagraha,” or truth force. “Satyagraha is a weapon of the strong; it admits of no violence under any circumstance whatever; and it always insists upon truth,” he explained.53 That advice is just as important as it has ever been in the United States.
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What kinds of terroristic things should we be worried about, Chap? Because right now I saw a WHOLE LOT of terroristic acts, threats, and violence perpetrated by hard-Left types and now the hard-Right is getting a case of the ass. I get that on this forum some of the vocal posters seem relatively nonplussed by what the American hard-Left has done, but to blithely ignore it wave it away or pretend that most of it was done by 'false flaggers' as 'protesting' is missing the very real desire for a revolution that completely erases our system as it currently stands.

Whatever the case may be, yes, the hard-Right is agitating for a 'boogaloo'. Also, is the government including Islamic fundamentalism in their assessment of the hard-Right?

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The so called "hard left," if it even exists, has had ample opportunity to start civil war, slaughter cops in droves, etc. but have failed to take advantage of this unique opportune moment. At worst, we see mysterious people setting fire to properties and then fleeing. We don't know in most cases who these people were, so chalking it up to the "hard left" is presumptuous.

After a month of civil unrest, the evidence coming in shows that the most serious examples of violence turned out to be by Right Wingers.

Thems the facts.

If anyone on the "hard left" was going to kill cops, take over the burbs, etc like the fear-mongering narratives have suggested, then their window of opportunity has probably already shut down.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:30 am
What kinds of terroristic things should we be worried about, Chap? Because right now I saw a WHOLE LOT of terroristic acts, threats, and violence perpetrated by hard-Left types and now the hard-Right is getting a case of the ass. I get that on this forum some of the vocal posters seem relatively nonplussed by what the American hard-Left has done, but to blithely ignore it wave it away or pretend that most of it was done by 'false flaggers' as 'protesting' is missing the very real desire for a revolution that completely erases our system as it currently stands.
I'm not talking about what a particular poster claims to have seen, or whether posters are nonplussed. The report, which is worth reading, is about statistics, in which crimes are analysed according to the four categories set out below:
This analysis focuses on terrorism: the deliberate use—or threat—of violence by non-state actors in order to achieve political goals and create a broad psychological impact.4 Violence—and the threat of violence—are important components of terrorism. Overall, this analysis divides terrorism into four broad categories: right-wing, left-wing, religious, and ethnonationalist.5 To be clear, terms like right-wing and left-wing terrorism do not—in any way—correspond to mainstream political parties in the United States, such as the Republican and Democratic parties, which eschew terrorism. Instead, terrorism is orchestrated by a small minority of extremists.

First, right-wing terrorism refers to the use or threat of violence by sub-national or non-state entities whose goals may include racial or ethnic supremacy; opposition to government authority; anger at women, including from the incel (“involuntary celibate”) movement; and outrage against certain policies, such as abortion.6 This analysis uses the term “right-wing terrorism” rather than “racially- and ethnically-motivated violent extremism,” or REMVE, which is used by some in the U.S. government.7 Second, left-wing terrorism involves the use or threat of violence by sub-national or non-state entities that oppose capitalism, imperialism, and colonialism; pursue environmental or animal rights issues; espouse pro-communist or pro-socialist beliefs; or support a decentralized social and political system such as anarchism. Third, religious terrorism includes violence in support of a faith-based belief system, such as Islam, Judaism, Christianity, and Hinduism, among many others. As highlighted in the next section, the primary threat from religious terrorists comes from Salafi-jihadists inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda. Fourth, ethnonationalist terrorism refers to violence in support of ethnic or nationalist goals—often struggles of self-determination and separatism along ethnic or nationalist lines.
A summary statement of long-term and recent trends is:
The data show three notable trends. First, right-wing attacks and plots accounted for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994. In particular, they made up a large percentage of incidents in the 1990s and 2010s. Second, the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown substantially during the past six years. In 2019, for example, right-wing extremists perpetrated nearly two-thirds of the terrorist attacks and plots in the United States, and they committed over 90 percent of the attacks and plots between January 1 and May 8, 2020. Third, although religious extremists were responsible for the most fatalities because of the 9/11 attacks, right-wing perpetrators were responsible for more than half of all annual fatalities in 14 of the 21 years during which fatal attacks occurred.
Results are shown in graphic form here:

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The takeaway point of all this is that in recent years, the major - and rapidly growing - domestic terrorist threat in the US comes from right-wing groups. This may come as a surprise to people who have formed views on these questions some time ago, and have not since then updated them. But, to adapt a famous saying "when the facts change, one's opinions should change too".

The methodology used to gather data for this report is in a document that can be downloaded here:

https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws. ... y_v3_0.pdf
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It's obvious yet worth repeating: people who do the both sides are guilty thing in order to appear objective have simply recognized that the right wing has gone fu-cking nuts, and because they used to consider themselves part of that tribe, they have to regard the left as just as bad. If you think both sides are equal, you're not the neutral party you'd like to consider yourself.

In their quest for objectivity, they expose their own bias.

It is objectively observable that the right is way more fu-cked up on average than the left in this country. The left is by no means perfect, but they don't deserve to be in the same conversation as the right. To think otherwise is deranged, because the right has become completely deranged. Derangement and hypocrisy are the GOP brand.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out what we're seeing with our eyeballs. What's gone on over the last few weeks, while initially founded in justice, has gone off the rails. All I'm saying is crap can go sideways pretty quick, and the Left has shown how quickly we've gone from an objectively true thing - Police Brutality needs to stop and we need to fix policing, whatever that entails - to tear down the system and implement socialism, whatever that means in practical terms. I recognize the Left is like a herd of cats, and due to their ideological incongruencies, pose less of a threat than the Right, but to ignore what's happening is to pretend what's happening isn't genuinely dangerous to our Republic.

That said. I agree Right is out of control. It's so flagrant and so obvious, and we've spent so much time on this forum pointing it out I might as well point to the sky and say, "There's the air."

What I'm trying to get across is what we're seeing is a sort of feedback loop where because of one side's policies, the other side starts to react just a little more aggressively and then they start edging away at the system they think is corrupt or evil, and then the other side reacts to that political aggression, so on and so forth. For example, whether you agree with it or not, the Left has successfully implements various social policies that are genuinely threatening to the Right - abortion, race-based equality programs, welfare, and other things not worth listing. The Right then gets the backing of the Koch brothers and other interested parties and starts to “F” with the system to ensure their views are enshrined. The Left then gets the backing of people like Soros and various other interested and powerful parties and take control of the 'mainstream media' and start pushing their narrative, demonizing the Right. Each side is edging harder and harder for control of the system so they can enact their version of a revolution. We're getting to the point where compromise is seen as defeat. Where a system that accommodate all viewpoints is becoming less and less possible. And people are acting out and are circumventing the democratic process to expedite their agendas because they feel they're not getting their way.

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We don't know in most cases who these people were, so chalking it up to the "hard left" is presumptuous.
I doubt your side wants to know who these people are unless you can find a case where it was someone on the right.
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Here's a good example of hard-Right extremist interpretation of government overreach:

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/letters/ ... were-road/

"By Paul Sharp | The Public Forum
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Published: 5 hours ago

Updated: 5 hours ago

“Forced masking” is a profoundly more serious issue than credited amid the paranoia overtaking so many health officials, politicians, and much of the public, including PC-driven newspapers. In typical “means justify ends no matter the cost” reaction, fear is driving ignorance of long-term consequences and brushing aside the sinister peril of expanding governmental power under the guise of “saving us” from some immediate panic.

It’s but a small step from forced masking to forced dietary restrictions, seizure of arms, restrictions of expression, movement, and like totalitarian decrees. Seat belt laws and similar unconstitutional overreaches are nonsensical rationalizations, and public shaming is a nauseous practice of tyrannies and dictatorships.

Inability to resist the frightened herd, to step back and rationally avoid deeper consequences will haunt us long after this pandemic subsides. Alarm has been raised over dangerous religious restrictions, yet the very idea that the government can forcefully demand or interfere with something as personal as what we put on our faces seems unmentionable and shows how far down the slippery slope we’ve slid.

Can Americans remember “Give me liberty or give me death,” or does a coronavirus suddenly nullify that kind of commitment to freedom, even when labeled “neighborly,” “charitable” or “for grandma”? Trampling freedom always begins with small things, grows insidiously, and when lost generally remains so.

Paul Sharp, Salt Lake City"

This is where I find it easy to side with the normal-Left in pointing out the bananapants craziness of the Right. Mr. Sharp is most likely a man who thinks nothing of the Right waging a sort of guerrilla warfare against the government, the Liberals, whomever he doesn't consider "Americans". People like him, and people who get their weapons and head to a capitol building to protest the 'infringement' of their freedoms are, in my opinion, just as bad as a bunch of wackadoodles who create a CHAZ.

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I just don't have the energy to criticize the left for its sins when there seem to me to be much more pressing matters. While it's true that the things normally associated with left wingers deserve criticism, they at least seem to be at the table with facts. The right has abandoned all pretense that facts are relevant. When they use the word "fact" to describe something obviously nonfactual, they prove that actual facts don't matter to them.

So yeah, the left can be guilty of overreaction. Some people on the left try to suppress free speech. Like I said, they have issues. Those kinds of things pale in comparison to abandoning reality, attempting to snuff all human progress and doing everything in your own narrow self-interests. If the right could possibly manage to take their heads out of their asses and join a conversation based on facts, I'm sure I'd have much more to say about the left. Criticizing the left in the current environment presents an opportunity cost I don't think is worth paying.

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Right now I'd be happy with a right leaning alternative to Twitter and Facebook. The left has always been very good at controlling the media and the narrative. As the government starts to crack down on anything posted right of center while fanning the flames of leftist protest, we may see some violence but I don't think the right will ever be capable of putting on a civil war. So the left is probably safe in thinking they can shut down dissenting opinions and use their superior wealth and deep state connections to do it.

If we get our jobs taken away again after watching social distancing go out the window and become a nonpriority during the protests, the hypocrisy may be too great tolerate. But even then I don't see people on the right having the power or funds to do much about it. So chill out Chap your Stalinist Marxist state is safe.
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