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Nope. Religious motivated stuff is a separate category of the four included in the analysis ... don't you remember reading this?

But Islam doesn't teach people to be terrorists, right. So I doubt you classified any of the radical Islamic terrorist incidents as such given you're not even willing to call it what it is. The Ft. Hood massacre by a radical Islamic terrorist is classified as "workplace violence," according to Obama, remember.

[_honorentheos]

We've had past discussions on the board pointing out that right-wing, white nationalist violence accounts for more deaths post-9/11 than religious-based terror attacks.

Here's another article on it:

https://www.newamerica.org/in-depth/ter ... tes-today/

The table in it updates as new attacks happen. For Ajax, it currently has the number of people killed by right-wing vs. Jihadi at 112 compared to 107.

It's worth noting the single deadliest event is missing (the Vegas concert shooting) because no one knows what motivated Paddock. That's 58 victims of a terror attack whose motive could be nothing more than a sociopath fed up with life and wanting to break a record on his way out. Put on the timeline it would make his isolated motives third on the list.

The Ft. Hood shooting in 2009 is on this chart and included in the 107 deaths attributed to Jihadist attacks.

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Right-wing terrorists are motivated by ideas of racial or ethnic supremacy; opposition to government authority, including the sovereign citizen movement; misogyny, including incels (“involuntary celibates”); hatred based on sexuality or gender identity; and/or opposition to certain policies such as abortion.

Chap this would mean the pulse nighclub shooter was a right wing terrorist. In reality it was a man raised a Muslim who either was taught or misinterpreted the teachings as meaning he should hate homosexuals.

Left-wing terrorists are motivated by an opposition to capitalism, imperialism, or colonialism; support for environmental causes or animal rights; pro-communist or pro-socialist beliefs; and/or support for decentralized political and social systems, such as anarchism

How would you classify Gavin Long killing three police officers in response to the police officer involved killing of Alton Sterling?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shoo ... erpetrator

While anti-Semitic motives were classified as right-wing

So Muslims who hate and kill Jews are classified as right wing? How would you classify the Boston marathon bombers? These are people with a political and ideological bias similar to Ilhan Omar (D) Minnesota. They were immigrants who collected public welfare benefits. I'm not sure how you can call that right wing. And since I've been there, if you go to Stormfront you'll find that many actual white supremacists and white nationalists are Democrats and like the idea of socialism. But white supremacism as it is now being tossed around can pretty much mean any white person who owns property. I'm not even sure what percentage of European DNA makes you privelged or marginalized.

how would people like George Zimmerman be defined. The man is a mix of a Jew(supposedly one of the oppressed groups hence not guilty of white privlege) and a Hispanic. He doesn't even look white. His first language was Spanish and he's a registered Democrat! Do they classify this as police brutality and racial profiling? He's not even a police officer!

And did anyone in the history of the world ever take and keep slaves besides white Americans who kept negro slaves? The Irish were pretty much slaves to the English. So if I have some Irish DNA, why don't you CHAP, Englishman, owe me money for the privileges you gained at the expense of my people? Because none of this BLM movement is about antebellum slavery. It's about Marxism, and the Marxist are throwing gasoline on this fire and encouraging the virus spreading and infrastructure destroying protesters to advance an agendal not much different than that of the USSR!

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So Muslims who hate and kill Jews are classified as right wing? How would you classify the Boston marathon bombers? These are people with a political and ideological bias similar to Ilhan Omar (D) Minnesota.

How so? Walk us through that one.

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From the OP link:

All parts of U.S. society have an important role to play in countering terrorism. Politicians need to encourage greater civility and refrain from incendiary language. Social media companies need to continue sustained efforts to fight hatred and terrorism on their platforms. Facebook, Google, Twitter, and other companies are already doing this. But the struggle will only get more difficult as the United States approaches the November 2020 presidential election—and even in its aftermath. Finally, the U.S. population needs to be more alert to disinformation, double-check their sources of information, and curb incendiary language.

Terrorism feeds off lies, conspiracies, disinformation, and hatred. Indian leader Mahatma Gandhi urged individuals to practice what he called “satyagraha,” or truth force. “Satyagraha is a weapon of the strong; it admits of no violence under any circumstance whatever; and it always insists upon truth,” he explained.53 That advice is just as important as it has ever been in the United States.

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How so? Walk us through that one.

When a Muslim kills a bunch of Jews, is that counted as right wing terrorism according to this study?

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The Ft. Hood shooting in 2009 is on this chart and included in the 107 deaths attributed to Jihadist attacks.

Ok fair point, let me look at it. I'm not seeing the chart. I'm sorry honor I can't find the chart of exactly how each of these terrorist incidents are classified. I am general curious to see how the ones I recognize are classified.

One way the left loves to skew these statistics is to count Hispanics as white. You actually have Hispanics being counted as white supremacist (i.e. George Zimmerman). White supremacism according to the actual definition (the belief that white people are superior to those of all other races, especially the black race, and should therefore dominate society) isn't really that common. Even me speaking in favor of segregation is not white supremacism. We're not dominating society. We just want out. Not agreeing to pay reparations for the sins of your ancestors is not white supremacism. And above all, rejecting racial equality of economic result and full blown Marxism is not white supremacism. But it is to the left. It amazes me that even after most of us are so mixed in that race really doesn't even exist biologically, we're still fighting property disputes from 400 years ago when the truth is most of us have ancestors who were on both sides of the conflict.

Given that racial and ethnic groups were conquering and enslaving native populations since civilization began, why is it only WASP Americans who owe the black race something? Many people now considered to benefit from "white privilege" aren't even WASP and their ancestors weren't even in the US before the civil war. I never thought Gunnar owes me something because his ancestors were mostly Viking and mine were Scotsman and women raped by Vikings. In fact nobody ever did in the history of the world until the USA, a cult of rights, where everyone has rights and nobody has personal responsibility, certainly not what the founders intended. It's kind of fitting that they are tearing down the statues of the founders.

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All parts of U.S. society have an important role to play in countering terrorism. Politicians need to encourage greater civility and refrain from incendiary language. Social media companies need to continue sustained efforts to fight hatred and terrorism on their platforms. Facebook, Google, Twitter, and other companies are already doing this. But the struggle will only get more difficult as the United States approaches the November 2020 presidential election—and even in its aftermath. Finally, the U.S. population needs to be more alert to disinformation, double-check their sources of information, and curb incendiary language.

And what does this effectively mean? Right now it means that people can post a video of a white police officer putting his weight on a black man and killing him in what is at best an overzealous effort to restrain him, and basically indefensible. This sets off riots that destroy property and leave many officers injured across the country. But when I try to post a video of self proclaimed BLM activists bashing in the windows of a random white woman's business and throwing haymakers knocking her out, it's removed from Facebook because someone deems it offensive. This curbing of incendiary language is one sided and completely violates the 1st amendment in my view.

Terrorism feeds off lies, conspiracies, disinformation, and hatred. Indian leader Mahatma Gandhi urged individuals to practice what he called “satyagraha,” or truth force. “Satyagraha is a weapon of the strong; it admits of no violence under any circumstance whatever; and it always insists upon truth,” he explained.53 That advice is just as important as it has ever been in the United States.[/color]

If truth were the standard we'd be able to post any video of any criminal committing a crime regardless of the offenders race.

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How so? Walk us through that one.

When a Muslim kills a bunch of Jews, is that counted as right wing terrorism according to this study?

So, not going to answer the question then?

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So, not going to answer the question then?

Ilhan Omar is an anti-Semite but I don't see how that makes anyone in her camp right wing.