Forget Antifa - the real danger is from the Fa

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ajax18 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:34 am
So, not going to answer the question then?
Ilhan Omar is an anti-Semite but I don't see how that makes anyone in her camp right wing.
1) No she's not.

2) General antisemitism is not, in any way, the salient motivation of the Boston bombings. When Republicans invoke George Soros conspiracy theories in a way that is more than a little reminiscent of Nazi conspiracy theories, you should not think, "Oh, this is the same think as the Boston bombings." Because it's not. That does not make any sense.

I thought you were going to try to argue that criticism of the Iraq War as motivated in part by anti-Muslim sentiment made them the same. That would've been really stupid, but you lapped that hard. My expectations were too high. What you're really saying is she's a Muslim, so she's basically a terrorist. You just forgot your fig leaf at home, which is appreciated.
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Conservative fundamentalist religious politics is right wing, which I guess comes as a surprise to some religious fundamentalists who dislike the other religious fundamentalists, but Antisemitism comes from all over the political spectrum.
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ajax18 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:34 am
The Ft. Hood shooting in 2009 is on this chart and included in the 107 deaths attributed to Jihadist attacks.
Ok fair point, let me look at it. I'm not seeing the chart. I'm sorry honor I can't find the chart of exactly how each of these terrorist incidents are classified. I am general curious to see how the ones I recognize are classified.
In the link I provided, after this paragraph is a graph. You can hover over/click the boxes in it to see details about each event.

In the almost 19 years since 9/11, jihadists have killed 107 people inside the United States. This death toll is virtually the same as that from far-right terrorism (consisting of anti-government, white supremacist, and anti-abortion violence), which has killed 111 people. The United States has also seen attacks in recent years inspired by black separatist/nationalist ideology and ideological misogyny. Individuals motivated by these ideologies have killed twelve and eight people respectively. America's terrorism problem today is homegrown and is not the province of any one group or ideological perspective.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:24 pm
As the government starts to crack down on anything posted right of center while fanning the flames of leftist protest, we may see some violence ...
That sounds terrible. If the Trump Administration is doing this, perhaps you should rethink your support for them.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:43 pm
Icarus wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:53 pm
Right. I guarantee you that at some future point in time he's going to repeat the same ____ above while acting like he's never been presented evidence to the contrary. Its his MO.
This is mostly true, except he won't be acting. When he's presented with evidence to the contrary, his lizard brain kicks in and knows to ignore it like the plague. It's as though he's never seen it at all.

It's important to remember, he's not a doctor. I refuse to believe it could be that easy to become an MD in the US.
True. If my understanding about him is correct, he is an optometrist, not an ophthalmologist, thus not an MD. Nevertheless, we do know some examples of actual MDs who are pretty seriously deranged. The most egregious example I can think of is Ben Carson, Trump's appointee to HUD. It is mind boggling to me how someone like him, reportedly a renowned brain surgeon, could somehow be so willfully ignorant of both history and basic science (particularly biology and evolutionary theory) as he seems to be.
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This might be appropriate for this thread:

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Gunnar wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:56 am
True. If my understanding about him is correct, he is an optometrist, not an ophthalmologist, thus not an MD.
That helps. Thanks for that.
Nevertheless, we do know some examples of actual MDs who are pretty seriously deranged. The most egregious example I can think of is Ben Carson, Trump's appointee to HUD.
Yeah, important to remember it's possible to lose your mind over time.
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"Doctors are the dumbest group of smart people in the United States" is a cliché' in skeptic circles for a reason. That's unfair, though. It's engineers. Doctors are probably in third place behind them and lawyers.
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In the link I provided, after this paragraph is a graph. You can hover over/click the boxes in it to see details about each event.
Ok I can see it now. I saw the Dallas police killings mentioned. But I didn't see Gavin Long who killed 3 police officers in Baton Rouge shortly after included in this list. Why not?

And why is a racial killing in New Zeland on this list? Is this international far right or just the US? If it's international, there's a bunch of black on white murders in South Africa being left out.
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ajax18 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:02 pm
In the link I provided, after this paragraph is a graph. You can hover over/click the boxes in it to see details about each event.
Ok I can see it now. I saw the Dallas police killings mentioned. But I didn't see Gavin Long who killed 3 police officers in Baton Rouge shortly after included in this list. Why not?

And why is a racial killing in New Zeland on this list? Is this international far right or just the US? If it's international, there's a bunch of black on white murders in South Africa being left out.
What's the date on the New Zealand incident?
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