Very few people use the word pride to mean self-respect; that's a meaning the word has taken on as a result of being used by movements like these. And even if the word choice was as deliberate as you're suggesting here by every member of each of these movements, the possible confusion you're referring to is the reason it's a poor word choice for a movement.
I looked up a few dictionary definitions and they all have this meaning listed at or near the top. Merriam-Webster's "a reasonable or justifiable self-respect" seems representative. Pride as a feeling aimed at oneself is a feeling of self-worth.Some Schmo wrote: Very few people use the word pride to mean self-respect;
Nah. That gets the etymology of the term wrong. You've reversed it.that's a meaning the word has taken on as a result of being used by movements like these.
Oh, I think you'll find any term that says disfavored groups have worth is going to run into some semantic confusions by people who don't like that.And even if the word choice was as deliberate as you're suggesting here by every member of each of these movements, the possible confusion you're referring to is the reason it's a poor word choice for a movement.
The term pride, as applied to accomplishments, does connote cockiness, though. Excessive pridefulness is closely associated with the word pride in that context. Pride comes before the fall Schmo. In the aforementioned Merriam-Webster, that specific definition adds the term "conceit" right to it. It doesn't have to mean that, but that's why I referred to connotation.Pride over your accomplishments doesn't necessarily connote cockiness, by the way.
Yes, it was written in this universe where the Democratic party is still predominately racist in policy and practice. But thanks for the mostly amateur revisionist apologetics.
How about, It's been my experience that very few people use the word pride to mean self-respect. Does that make you feel better?EAllusion wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:18 pmI looked up a few dictionary definitions and they all have this meaning listed at or near the top. Merriam-Webster's "a reasonable or justifiable self-respect" seems representative. Pride as a feeling aimed at oneself is a feeling of self-worth.Some Schmo wrote: Very few people use the word pride to mean self-respect;
I'm not sure where you are getting your assertion of "very few people" but this is an ordinary way to use the term.
Nah. You don't know what you're talking about.Nah. That gets the etymology of the term wrong. You've reversed it.that's a meaning the word has taken on as a result of being used by movements like these.
I'm not talking about confusion among people willfully ignorant to a cause. There will always be those people.Oh, I think you'll find any term that says disfavored groups have worth is going to run into some semantic confusions by people who don't like that.And even if the word choice was as deliberate as you're suggesting here by every member of each of these movements, the possible confusion you're referring to is the reason it's a poor word choice for a movement.
I just said, it doesn't necessarily connote cockiness. Jesus.The term pride, as applied to accomplishments, does connote cockiness, though. Excessive pridefulness is closely associated with the word pride in that context. Pride comes before the fall Schmo. In the aforementioned Merriam-Webster, that specific definition adds the term "conceit" right to it. It doesn't have to mean that, but that's why I referred to connotation.Pride over your accomplishments doesn't necessarily connote cockiness, by the way.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/proud
I think you are projecting your own confusion over the term here.I'm not talking about confusion among people willfully ignorant to a cause. There will always be those people.
Yes, it's clear you think that.
