Republican Voters Against Trump

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Re: Republican Voters Against Trump

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Some Schmo wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:34 pm
Trump's numbers may be strong with people who still identify with the GOP, but the GOP is slowly shrinking.
Changes in partisan affiliation do not explain Trump's strength with Republicans. Republican affiliation numbers have actually slightly increased in the Trump era.

Trump has improved his position with the group because partisan leaders have backed him strongly and right-wing media is a giant propaganda machine aimed at bolstering him. Those are the cues people follow.

Of course, as Trump looks more and more likely to be in political hot water, you'd expect to see a collapse in Republican identification as people break and say, "I'm not affiliated with those people," but for now the former Republicans against Trump phenomena just isn't explained by an exodus of Republicans in the rank and file. This is a niche group where ideology Trump's partisanship that has a big voice. Republicans in general like Trump. A lot. This wasn't true in 2016. It represents a change.
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EAllusion wrote: https://theintercept.com/2020/07/02/kam ... wikipedia/

Here's a fun article on a current battle on wikipedia between someone trying to erase Harris's history as an abusive prosecutor and others trying to edit it back in. Lot of political jockeying going on there as she is on the short list to be VP.

Anyway, never-Trump ex-Republican types got their person in Biden and also seem to really like Harris as VP. Not that they should be leading what Democrats do, but it's interesting to see where their preferences come down.
That was fast. The person doing this has bee figured out. It's the volunteer organizing leader of Kamala Harris's campaign. He's an attorney that represents the health insurance industry, which explains the side-story of the same editor trying to erase positive messages about Bernie Sanders.

Anywho, here's a story about how legal interpretation makes it easy to keep people in prison whose conviction was secured by prosecutorial misconduct. One example is okaying pejured testimony to misleadingly secure a murder conviction. You know who did that? Kamala Harris. Because that's what people looking for criminal justice reform are clamoring for:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... nduct.html

The never-Trumper types really like her, though. When you combine that with the other thread of conversation about how they're an insignificant niche group in terms of numbers, and I'm not entirely sure why that should matter. I have seen some people who seem to genuinely think the key is to get them 'cause you gotta win the moderate vote. But they're not the "moderates" you're looking for and you don't need to persuade any never-Trump types at this point as Biden's already got the cautious conservative who might vote Democrat because of Trump as locked down as it is ever gonna be.
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Re: Republican Voters Against Trump

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Some Schmo wrote:
Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:24 pm
I may not be as politically savvy as the rest of you guys but I know what I see happening in front of my face and lord knows there's tons more like me in the U.S.
I wouldn't claim to be politically savvy. I'm learning as we go along, just like you.
Oh thank you for that, Schmo. :-)
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Re: Republican Voters Against Trump

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EAllusion wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:42 pm
Some Schmo wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:34 pm
Trump's numbers may be strong with people who still identify with the GOP, but the GOP is slowly shrinking.

Changes in partisan affiliation do not explain Trump's strength with Republicans. Republican affiliation numbers have actually slightly increased in the Trump era.
People who identify with the Republican Party have remained about the same during the Trump era.
But he also noted that Gallup data on party affiliation showed little long-term shift in the number of Americans identifying as Republican. Twenty-eight percent called themselves Republican in January 2017 and the same share identifies as GOP voters today.

https://www.newsweek.com/why-donald-tru ... ns-1511435
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Re: Republican Voters Against Trump

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I think Trump's best chances this November is with massive voter fraud via keeping people from voting. Disallowing mail-in ballots, altering ballots (like the Republicans did in the Carolinas), and having too few open polling places. Perhaps staging some riot-like situations to keep voters away from the polls. I imagine his strategists in the Kremlin can come up with some doozies in terms of subverting the vote.
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Re: Republican Voters Against Trump

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Brackite wrote:
Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:19 pm
EAllusion wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:42 pm

Changes in partisan affiliation do not explain Trump's strength with Republicans. Republican affiliation numbers have actually slightly increased in the Trump era.
People who identify with the Republican Party have remained about the same during the Trump era.
But he also noted that Gallup data on party affiliation showed little long-term shift in the number of Americans identifying as Republican. Twenty-eight percent called themselves Republican in January 2017 and the same share identifies as GOP voters today.

https://www.newsweek.com/why-donald-tru ... ns-1511435
I looked at the gallup poll data specifically. Republican affiliation numbers have gone from mid to upper 20's in the years preceding Trump to upper 20's to low 30's in the Trump years. The most recent number is a fairly bad mid 20's number and might represent some collapse in support if it continues.
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Re: Republican Voters Against Trump

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This is a link to President Obama unveiling the Portrait of George Bush. Please watch for a minute or so. Watch the actual flashes of humanity and good spirit between them. That's what we lost when we elected Trump.
The news on Tuesday that President Donald Trump's White House may not be hosting a ceremonial unveiling of former President Barack Obama's official White House portrait raised concern that what has for decades been one of the most lighthearted interactions between presidents, regardless of party, is no more.

The White House Historical Association, the private nonprofit organization founded in 1961 by Jacqueline Kennedy to care for historic elements of the White House, on its website describes the presidential portrait unveilings as "often bi-partisan events with warm greetings and collegial speeches exchanged by the president and their predecessor."

The relationship between Trump and Obama, especially of late, has been quite the opposite of "warm" and "collegial." Trump has accused Obama of criminal activity; Obama has made thinly veiled jabs at Trump's leadership. Despite initial talks between the current administration and its predecessor to pick a date this spring for the portrait event, communication has now broken down to the point of indefinite postponement.

Presidents have commissioned portraits of themselves to hang in the White House since George Washington. In fact, it is Washington's portrait that has one of the most significant pieces of history tied to it -- first lady Dolley Madison saved it in 1814 when the British set fire to the White House during the War of 1812.
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Re: Republican Voters Against Trump

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[quote=moksha post_id=1230669 time=1593771362 user_id=49]Trump is overwhelmingly popular among Mormons in Utah and Evangelicals across the country. Not sure why, but I suspect it has something to do with willful blindness to Trump's true nature.[/quote]

Well, locally, Trump ass kisser Greg Hughes placed 3rd in the GOP primary for Governor. I don’t believe serving Trump did him any favors.

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MeDotOrg wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:14 am
That's what we lost when we elected Trump.
No one will ever speak of Trump as President Obama spoke of this Republican, though Trump is surely alluded to in this. He has cheapened the the role and position of the President of the United States and corrupted whatever distinguished place in American history he might have ever hoped to have. All he will leave behind is wreckage.

John McCain funeral: Barack Obama FULL eulogy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raDyWogvQ2Y
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