Trump Book Bombshell

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Re: Trump Book Bombshell

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On the subject of the book, I'm off-put by a credentialed clinical psychologist putting her discipline to work on a political candidate she's had an acrimonious personal relationship and legal dispute with. Something's obviously deeply wrong with Donald Trump, and no doubt there are juicey anecdotes family members might have access to, but this seems so compromised by potential sources of bias that it comes off in poor taste.
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There have been disgruntled members of the Presidential family before, but I can't think of one who wrote such a damning account. Does she have an axe to grind? Certainly she would have the motivation. Does that mean that the book is not true? I'll have to read it to find out, but read it I will.

Think of the apocryphal story of George Washington and the cherry tree, and 'father, I cannot tell a lie'. According to Mary, in Fred Trump's world, the most effective survival strategy for children was to tell a lie.

If a perfect storm got Donald Trump elected, it seems that the storm is brewing against him in the summer of 2020. Think for a moment. Consider your own life. Imagine if your niece, a clinical psychologist, wrote a damning expose of your family for the whole world to see. But wait! The book is released in the middle your Presidential campaign, where you are getting killed in the polls, Thousands of Americans are dying because of a Pandemic response that you bungled, and an endless stream of legal problems await you if you are not re-elected.

I do not think the 25th Amendment is out of the question between now and November. When you see dozens and dozens of ALL CAPS rage tweets day after day, this is a man who is beginning to understand that saying "I alone can fix it" is a difficult promise to keep. I'm not saying >50% chance, but it is worrisome. And I guaraneffingtee you that there are whispered contingencies being considered.
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Re: Trump Book Bombshell

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Expression is free on this board.

But those opinions expressed after reading at least some of this book will probably be worth ...well, let's say about a hell of a lot more than any views expressed before so doing.

Maybe hold back until then?
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Re: Trump Book Bombshell

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[quote=Chap post_id=1231019 time=1594158102 user_id=681]
Expression is free on this board.

But those opinions expressed after reading at least [i]some[/i] of this book will probably be worth ...well, let's say about a hell of a lot more than any views expressed before so doing.

Maybe hold back until then?
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Uh. No? There’s a lot of chatter, there are excerpts, and there are related topics relevant to this book being released? My Lord you’re such a little nannying flounce, sometimes.

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[quote="Jersey Girl"]Where are you reading about civil war? That might be what sparked the local call in my area.[/quote]

I did read your post, and it concerns me deeply. I’m just paying attention to what’s in front of my eyeballs, reading what’s being posted across different forums, and listening to various intellectuals share their opinions. All I can say is we’ve seen this run up to civil war play out a hundred times during the courses of our lives, and what’s happening now looks very similar to what’s happened everywhere else... and I don’t think we’re immune from it by any measure. This is one of the reasons why I keep posting about the Foundations of Geopolitics or dropping an odd quote from pre-Cold War Russian strategy. Additionally, I think this has been coming on for a while since both political parties have allowed the wealthy to edge away our middle class which, combined with racial politics, social media (people reading about a thousand microaggressions a day), and the quick shift of our social mores toward hyperindividualism, the dissolution of the nuclear family, and the erosion of geographic community identity we’re kind of at a loggerheads.

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Okay thanks, Cam. I see the rumblings as well. The local group has now created a separate group for the purpose of organizing this stuff. But here's the problem with that. Once human beings develop into groups (and this is also true of young children, it's even on some developmental assessments) they begin to automatically create a self government. Leaders emerge and not all leaders are of the visionary variety--like Trump lacks vision that isn't self referrential. The group creates rules and structure in order to function, some folks are after status, some after the good of the whole and the group either succeeds or fails to meet it's original common goals. It either constructs a solid group with solid functioning or it falls apart. I am 100% certain there's a sociological perspective that marries to that but I can't freaking recall what it is at the moment.

You see this emerge in the play of young children, I've documented it hundreds and hundreds of times. It starts with an idea. Then the leaders come forward to assign roles, others take the roles on, decisions are made to support the ultimate goal, and the play either constructs itself and the goal is met or it breaks down entirely.

In the case of this local group, we could ultimately end up in a corrupted group that mirrors the very corruption and chaos that the group was intended to "protect and preserve". In any case, I'm going to join the group to observe. There have been impressive efforts in this area to assist residents in times of hardship. I'm not sure how this is going to go so I want to watch it develop. Like I said, most folks out here are armed to the teeth and that concerns me in terms of this group forming. But we have to be independent in order to live here in the first place, so I don't know.

Okay I'll get off it now since it's not the topic of this thread.
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Re: Trump Book Bombshell

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Nothing I've seen expressed from the book sounds false (or surprising) based on what we already knew. Sure, she might have an ax to grind. That might translate into her being more open about sharing sordid details than anything else. It's not like you need to make crap up to make Trump look bad.

But you never know; it could amount to an attack ad by a political adversary. Good. If it criticizes Trump, I see no downside. I welcome everyone to that party. Go Mary Trump Go!
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[quote="Jersey Girl”] In the case of this local group, we could ultimately end up in a corrupted group that mirrors the very corruption and chaos that the group was intended to "protect and preserve". In any case, I'm going to join the group to observe.[/quote]

That’s probably a fairly prescient take. We saw that exact scenario play out in the CHAZ/CHOP, where a bunch of mentally ill children attempted to set up a society with security, fees, a quasi economy, and some sort of border. Chaos predictably ensued. While I don't think that’ll happen with your group, you should keep us apprised of any sort of hierarchy that arises. It’d be interesting.

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EAllusion wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:35 pm
On the subject of the book, I'm off-put by a credentialed clinical psychologist putting her discipline to work on a political candidate she's had an acrimonious personal relationship and legal dispute with. Something's obviously deeply wrong with Donald Trump, and no doubt there are juicey anecdotes family members might have access to, but this seems so compromised by potential sources of bias that it comes off in poor taste.
From The Independent:
As a clinical psychologist, Mary Trump states in the book that her uncle, the president, has all nine of the clinical criteria displayed by narcissists.

Further, she says that his psychological troubles go even beyond that diagnosis and that his “pathologies are so complex and his behaviours so often inexplicable that coming up with an accurate and comprehensive diagnosis would require a full battery of psychological and neuro-physical tests that he’ll never sit for."
I dunno. After over 3 years of empirical data, I would certainly say the President has deep-rooted pathologies. Is she totally unbiased in her perceptions? Perhaps not, but she is also in a unique position to be both a clinical psychologist and an observer of the Trump clan for her entire life.

My favorite comment so far was from Kayleigh McEnany, who said it was "a book of falsehoods", noting that she hadn't seen the book.
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Re: Trump Book Bombshell

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:13 pm
[quote="Jersey Girl”] In the case of this local group, we could ultimately end up in a corrupted group that mirrors the very corruption and chaos that the group was intended to "protect and preserve". In any case, I'm going to join the group to observe.
That’s probably a fairly prescient take. We saw that exact scenario play out in the CHAZ/CHOP, where a bunch of mentally ill children attempted to set up a society with security, fees, a quasi economy, and some sort of border. Chaos predictably ensued. While I don't think that’ll happen with your group, you should keep us apprised of any sort of hierarchy that arises. It’d be interesting.

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Usually this "town" is good for short term or intermittent levels of commitment. Example, search and rescue efforts. Rooting out ne'er do wells like the guy I mentioned in my other post. But even in that case, the guy was obviously caught up in a case of parental alienation and even after he was arrested and taken into custody, most of us expressed our concern that he'd get the legal and social services that he required.

Anyway. Yes, I have one ear to the ground over here. This place is wonderful to live in for a certain brand of people but there could be some crackpots living out here too and I wouldn't want to see them run roughshod over people if given any perceived authority.

True story. I went in what could best be described as our only convenience store yesterday and noticed on the wall a new plaque I don't recall ever seeing before. It had two hand guns crossed at the top and underneath it read: We don't call 911. The--11-- was embellished with bullets.

So yeah. It's a good community, great to raise kids in, people keep to themselves, they'll pull you out of a ditch in a blizzard with no questions asked---but most of us are armed out the wazoo. I don't know if this group will grow legs because people resist being told what to do around here...which is why we don't have real town status because the efforts to become a real town always carry legal and legislative baggage that no one here wants to deal with.

We are a peculiar people. ;-)

ETA: Cam I posed a question to you on the covid spread in real time thread where I first posted about the group in question. If you have time...
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