Biden vs. Trump

[_ajax18]

This is the human side Doc. These shutdowns have not been helping enough to be worth it. COVID is not relegated to southern states that reopened early. It's not even relegated to the USA. Places like Hawaii, New York, and California have been locked down forever and it's still there. The shutdown only prolonged the inevitable. I would like to think good faith existed on both sides of the aisle to do what's best for the economy. Maybe you don't like the president but you should still want to see the country succeed economically. COVID has made the wealthy more wealthy and hurt the working class who had to sell their stock to pay their bills. The uber rich have been allowed to go to work. Those that are happy to see this economic devastation because it furthers their political agenda are guilty of treason.

If Biden were president right now, we'd still be shut down and not allowed to return to work.

[_honorentheos]

Tax reform = bankrupt the country to give tax cuts to corporations and wealthy that he sold with short termed expired cuts for voters like you? Leaving the national debt to climb so we had no choice but to make it even worse when the crisis hit?

Again, you may disagree with a policy that I agree with - which was the point and there is no need for you to voice an irrational and subjective objection here. If you want to debate the merits of any particular government action Trump has taken, I am happy to do just that, but just not under the circumstance of "it hurt my feelings".

Noting that his tax cuts served corporations, were temporary for the average person, increased the deficit that hamstrings us in dealing with the current crisis is subjective and essentially saying Trump hurt my feeling?

I'm pretty sure you are still just trolling but putting on a show for Cam. But let's read further...

Foreign policy = alienate our allies and make the world more antagonistic to the US?

Again, you may disagree with a policy that I agree with - which was the point and there is no need for you to voice an irrational and subjective objection here. If you want to debate the merits of any particular government action Trump has taken, I am happy to do just that, but just not under the circumstance of "it hurt my feelings".

Where have I read that before? Oh, you just copy-pasted the same thing over and over.

Regulations = what regulations? even though he himself said in the debates against Clinton that without regulations he as a businessman was going to do whatever it took without regard for any greater good or restraint. So if people want things like clean air and water, protections from unfair treatment and protection of small businesses from the abuse of perpetual law suits, etc., that requires regulation?

Again, you may disagree with a policy that I agree with - which was the point and there is no need for you to voice an irrational and subjective objection here. If you want to debate the merits of any particular government action Trump has taken, I am happy to do just that, but just not under the circumstance of "it hurt my feelings".

And you called that substantive?

I don't hate Democrats. I just do not agree with the overwhelming majority of the Democratic Party Platform or with most of the policy positions that Democratic Party leadership proposes and promotes.
While my personal views tend to be more Libertarian, I find my political efforts yield more substantial results when they align with what the Republican Party Platform accomplishes.

Like the national debt, letting people choose what they do in the privacy of their own homes and in their lives as long as it doesn't infringe on others, and what else?

But again, you are free to disagree in whatever manner you choose, however, your disagreement will have no rational credibility for me when based solely on grievances for inconsequential personality traits. For example, skin color is irrelevant to a person's ability to effectively serve in a political office.

[_honorentheos]

Maybe you don't like the president but you should still want to see the country succeed economically. COVID has made the wealthy more wealthy and hurt the working class who had to sell their stock to pay their bills. The uber rich have been allowed to go to work. Those that are happy to see this economic devastation because it furthers their political agenda are guilty of treason.

If Biden were president right now, we'd still be shut down and not allowed to return to work.

I don't know a single person who supports Biden who doesn't want the country to succeed economically.

Most of the complaints about Trump don't focus on the lock down per se. Rather, it began with his failure to take it seriously. Then it expanded to his ranting use of the briefings as political rallies rather than actually helping spell out a plan and rally the nation. It included the insanity of bad medical advice being pushed while experts were being sidelined. And it then included his apparent decision to push reopening without adherence to guidelines that could have allowed for safer and more effective containment of the virus. The Federal government never lead with a testing strategy. It failed to make resources available and help states. The gutting of agencies leading up to the crisis meant fewer good, knowledgeable people were in places were competence would make a difference. He made a national crisis a partisan issue, turned on people experiencing racial injustices in the middle of the crisis. And apparently only knows how to sell fear as the response to every damn thing going on.

[_MeDotOrg]

Sometimes it's a coin toss as to whether the latest Trump news should be in Trump v Biden or Trump's Dumbest Comments.

Exhibit A:

Kamala Harris was born in Oakland, California. No one doubts it. She is not a naturalized citizen. She was born here. Trump has a truckload of lawyers at his disposal that would tell him that Kamala Harris meets the qualifications specified in the Constitution. But now Trump is now playing the Some Say game, where you quote someone on social media.

We're down to qualifying Kanye West for the ballot, crippling the Post Office, and

BIRTHER II:
Jamaican it happen.

[_Jersey Girl]

We're down to qualifying Kanye West for the ballot, crippling the Post Office, and

BIRTHER II:
Jamaican it happen.

I just wanna jump out a window.

[_subgenius]

Subgenius,

I was actually going to post how I appreciated you and Ajax taking some time to flesh out your thoughts, engage the posters with sentences and paragraphs rather than drive-by memes or one-liners, and arguing on behalf of your political positions. I think taking the time to argue your points with a bit of detail - but not to the point of exhaustion (EAllusion you could take a hint here) - is helpful to see the more human and rational side of someone who supports the GOP and by extension Trump, ie, motivations for supporting his policies rather than being stuck in a cult of personality.

As far as Icarus and SS go, they've pretty much said what they've had to say and I'm guessing don't believe anything they could say to any degree would be persuasive to anyone on this board so they've just resorted to being a sort of alarm clock posters and use the forum as catharsis. I'd rather people on both side stick to long form discussion because we're all better for it, but you have to be the change you want to see in others. That said, if it becomes apparent others aren't reading what takes effort to post, I can see why they don't bother.

As we draw closer to the November elections I'd actually like to see more discussion on the topics and policies that'll shape the election rather than posters just telling one another what they are and how they think and thus they're racist or a Lib or whatever we call each other when we think an injustice has occurred in the public arena.

- Doc

Thank you for the sincere and the rather eloquent response. While I do strive to return the favor as often as possible, please forgive my occasional indulgence in poking less ambitious posters with a meme stick.

[_Some Schmo]

I'm starting to kind of enjoy this trolling thing. Seeing you get this pissed off is kind of fun Schmo.

Oh, are you confessing now to being merely another dishonest troll, like subgenius, just for the enjoyment of getting a rise out of us?
In other words, even you don't really believe the nonsense you spout at us?

This is the subtext confession in every single one of his posts, Gunnar. Liars lie.

I knew he loved being smacked around like a bit-ch, though. I have little doubt he fantasizes about Trump yanking his hair back as he reams ajax up the ass with a prosthetic dildo.

[_Some Schmo]

As far as Icarus and SS go, they've pretty much said what they've had to say and I'm guessing don't believe anything they could say to any degree would be persuasive to anyone on this board so they've just resorted to being a sort of alarm clock posters and use the forum as catharsis. I'd rather people on both side stick to long form discussion because we're all better for it, but you have to be the change you want to see in others. That said, if it becomes apparent others aren't reading what takes effort to post, I can see why they don't bother.

I won't speak for Icarus, but this is spot on for me. I'd lose my mind if I thought I could convince others of what seems like common sense and set out to make it happen. I'd spend my life banging my head against a wall, primarily because I'd be trying to convince people who have the kind of brain damage you get from repetitively banging your head against a wall.

Thankfully, I'm not that naïvely optimistic.

[_Some Schmo]

BIRTHER II:
Jamaican it happen.

This was the obvious play. I suspect it's in the first chapter of the racist's handbook.

The GOP has this incredible imagination. They spend all their time writing fiction so they have something to say when asked about policy. In light of their creativity (i. e. ability to generate bullsh-it), it's remarkable they can't come up with a new line of attack on Harris. They have to use Obama leftovers.

Lazy douche bags.

[_Gunnar]

There is a growing amount of comment in the media and on the internet about Trump's attacks on Kamala Harris, including, of course, the incredibly stupid birtherism claims, are backfiring or will backfire on him badly.

Aggressive Trump attacks against Harris, whom presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden named as his vice presidential running mate on Tuesday, could repel the very voters Trump needs to win over.

One of the most encouraging things about Trump, is that he is undoubtedly his own worst enemy! Yay Trump!