5 yo white boy murdered at point blank range

[_subgenius]

Being a Puerto Rican Ned Ryerson doesn't mean you're not a racist ____, by the way.

[_ajax18]

Being a Puerto Rican Ned Ryerson doesn't mean you're not a racist ____, by the way.

He's Master Icarus, lord of the plantation down Georgia.

[_Some Schmo]

I'm really getting sick of all the KKK riots in this country. It's disgusting, the way they are looting, raping and pillaging the country. I really wish our law and order president would do something about these racist pricks.

Oh, right... he's one of them.

[_Analytics]

See? Common ground can be reached between Democrats and Republicans. Police reform seems like it has broad appeal.

- Doc

Doc I sincerely hope so. But I'm not sure BLM is about what you're describing. They seem like more like the Bolsheviks or a communist revolutionary group, not to mention far more racist than I am.

https://mynorthwest.com/2094891/rantz-r ... omeowners/?

A racist, anti-capitalist, BLM-inspired mob targeted Seattle homeowners on the basis of their race. Their goal is to boot white people from the Central District and self-segregate....

If I may make a few comments, let's first establish what this is actually referring to. The story in question is inspired by the following tweet with accompanying video:

https://Twitter.com/ThoughtSoup1/status ... 6282716161

The tweet says,

mob and menacing Biden Harris voters harassing the residents of Seattle suburbs tonight, demanding that white homeowners immediately transfer all their property and money to black people. #blm #antifa #JoeBiden #maga #kamalaharris

That severely misrepresents the video. The video features a small group of protestors (perhaps 40?), who look to be about 70% black and 30% white. They are peaceful protesters, not a mob. Apparently, a white guy is sitting on the roof or a high balcony of a new 4-story apartment building--the kind of place in an urban (not suburban) neighborhood that has a total of 4 units. The group stops and a member of the group yells at the guy something like the following: "This is a historically black neighborhood. Did you know that? It was gentrified, and the historical residents were driven out. Did you know that? You do now. So what are you going to do about it?" The biggest acquisition was that the former owner got less for the property than what it was worth. You couldn't tell from the video if the group was organized to fight gentrification or if this was a spontaneous stop by one of the members of the group.

That is basically it. It is a small group of protestors where a guy yells something about gentrification.

Gentrification is a well-defined phenomenon that happens around the world and isn't about race. According to Wikipedia, it has been a challenging problem since the days of ancient Rome. The term was coined in 1964 by a British sociologist who was talking about the gentrification of a neighborhood in London:

One by one, many of the working class neighbourhoods of London have been invaded by the middle-classes—upper and lower. Shabby, modest mews and cottages—two rooms up and two down—have been taken over, when their leases have expired, and have become elegant, expensive residences ... Once this process of 'gentrification' starts in a district it goes on rapidly, until all or most of the original working-class occupiers are displaced and the whole social character of the district is changed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification

From the perspective of the "victims", gentrification isn't about racism or Marxism. It is about economic outsiders taking over your neighborhood and at best taking over the culture and at worst driving up rent and property taxes and driving the historical residents out. In general it is a good thing that has some bad consequences and like many things in life, there are some winners and some losers when it happens. And when gentrification happens, the losers tend to be a group that almost always gets the short end of the stick.

Using this as an excuse to oppose police reform is laughable.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Here's a good example of gentrification in a working class neighborhood:

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/271- ... 9907_zpid/

Those $1.2M units were built over some demo'd lower class units, and the residents around those units are literally plumbers, electricians, and whatnot. I'm fairly certain in another ten or twenty years the blue collar types will be gone. I don't really have anything to say about the morality of gentrification other than I hope affordable housing is constructed for folks because a city is as strong as its working class.

- Doc

[_honorentheos]

I was talking with someone in Utah who is with the Urban Land Institute (ULI) about the housing boom and why it seemed immune to the surrounding economic crisis.

His comment was that the historic housing needs in the greater SL area has evolved from that of young families looking for a home in which to grow has been replaced with a model more like other cities with white collar singles and couples. The latter have more to spend and want to have something to show for it, which incentivises developers to out more high end residential housing on the market. This means other housing products already in the market are scarce so the competition for a house drives all housing prices up even more. People can't afford to worry about their economic future when the house they want is in a bidding war. It sounds strange, like almost everyone involved is agreeing to gamble on the economy rebounding quickly so the person who is cautious ends up losing out.

The reason I brought that up is there isn't a lot of incentives to build housing products aimed at lower and middle class families on land that affluent singles and couples would snatch up if a higher end home were put down instead. So it inevitably pushes that housing out.

[_Icarus]

Ajax, the Mom said this had nothing to do with race.

Do you believe her, or maybe you think she's part of the deep state.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

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I was talking with someone in Utah who is with the Urban Land Institute (ULI) about the housing boom and why it seemed immune to the surrounding economic crisis.

His comment was that the historic housing needs in the greater SL area has evolved from that of young families looking for a home in which to grow has been replaced with a model more like other cities with white collar singles and couples. The latter have more to spend and want to have something to show for it, which incentivises developers to out more high end residential housing on the market. This means other housing products already in the market are scarce so the competition for a house drives all housing prices up even more. People can't afford to worry about their economic future when the house they want is in a bidding war. It sounds strange, like almost everyone involved is agreeing to gamble on the economy rebounding quickly so the person who is cautious ends up losing out.

The reason I brought that up is there isn't a lot of incentives to build housing products aimed at lower and middle class families on land that affluent singles and couples would snatch up if a higher end home were put down instead. So it inevitably pushes that housing out.
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For sure. The city does have some incentives and large parcels of land to develop for affordable housing:

https://www.buildingsaltlake.com/intere ... -300-west/

The link is worthing clicking on to get a sense of our public-private partnership to help address affordable housing costs. But yes, to your point, in my neighborhood even the shittiest houses are now going for upper 200's to low 300's for anywhere between 700-1100 sq ft. My wife and I secured a couple of houses about a year and a half ago, and stuck family in them. These houses were flipped and we're paying on mortgages of $205k and $275k respectively. The houses now, if we were to sell them would probably fetch $275k and $315k respectively. They're cute houses, but not that great in the sense of amenities and square footage. I think about the $315k one and including PMI (because how many people really, truly can afford $70k down?), taxes and insurance, it's ~$1,800/month. God damn. There's not way wage types can afford that nor the 'market' apartments which are running maybe a few hundred less than that, after all the additional fees and crap that get tacked on. We have a real problem right now.

I'd like to see more cities build affordable housing units for the working class in order to reduce the number of people who have to commute for wage-based jobs - it's a kind of double whammy when dude who's clearing $10 or $12 an hour has to pay out the ass for a roof over his head and then has to add the costs of commuting on top of that. It's a better idea to have our workers situated near their job sites, in my opinion. Of course.

- Doc

[_subgenius]

Here's a good example of gentrification in a working class neighborhood:

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/271- ... 9907_zpid/

Those $1.2M units were built over some demo'd lower class units, and the residents around those units are literally plumbers, electricians, and whatnot. I'm fairly certain in another ten or twenty years the blue collar types will be gone. I don't really have anything to say about the morality of gentrification other than I hope affordable housing is constructed for folks because a city is as strong as its working class.

- Doc

Not to further a derail, but gentrification is how a city recoups lost tax revenue when lagging infrastructure (eg schools) drives away families to suburbs. As the 20 something professionals with no kids dump money back into the coffer, hopefully, the schools and services are uplifted to a point that attracts the cash-cow of family residency.
But note, working and family class arent necessarily Democratic voters, so the city suffers by the influx of young voters - a double edge sword. Affordable housing is a political threat unless timed properly.

[_subgenius]

Ajax, the Mom said this had nothing to do with race.

Do you believe her, or maybe you think she's part of the deep state.

So its possible for a person of one race to kill a person of another race and that act has "nothing to do with race"?
Ok, now revsist George Floyd and detail the evidence for how it has something to do with race....then let us all sit back and see the similarities between your position and Ajax's.