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Given the recent silly controversies about the supposed #Marxism of #BLM, I wanted to write a very brief essay on how I understand it. Many people seem to have an extremely simplistic view of what Marxism means through the lens of the Cold War or right-wing propaganda, but Marxist analysis or politics does not necessarily mean that you think the government should own all the means of production (though it certainly might for some).
Rather, it is a theory about the roots of social problems and the roots of successful social change. Therefore, when it comes to thinking about a #BLM as a movement to address a super complicated problem like police brutality and criminal justice reform, it just so happens that Marx and the legacy of Marx have something important to say, which is why "Marxism" has influenced everything from the Labor movement (Happy Labor Day!), feminism, and of course Civil Rights.
So, how then does Marxism manifest in the contemporary #BLM movement? No doubt there will be different ways of answering this, but I see three ways.
First, #BLM is a mass movement representing a class of people, not the interests of one particular leader or organization. This can be a weakness because it is hard to pin down, but that is also the source of its strength. We have already seen assassinations of #BLM leaders, and by not building a movement around a particular charismatic leader, an assassination or failure of one individual cannot discredit the movement. So, the Marxism in this "leaderful" movement is about keeping the movement democratic and class based.
Second, the "Marxism" of #BLM is about an analysis of a structural problem that is on-going, and cannot be solved by a single piece of legislation or symbolic action. This is different from other political movements that fizzle when "success" is achieved in a court case or new law, but racism in policing and the criminal justice system is a problem that is bigger than just changing attitudes or providing body cameras. The Marxist analysis sees racism as a reflection of broader social issues and perhaps a permanent struggle.
Third, as an ongoing, leaderless movement, the Marxism of #BLM also means that there are larger issues that affect the analysis of policing and criminal justice reform. Here, there is less agreement about what needs to be done, with some quite radical and some quite modest solutions. For instance, it means that things like housing policy, education policy, public health policy, environmental policy, and finance are all intertwined with policing and criminal justice.
Marxist analysis points to broader structural issues like these as critical for #BLM's larger goals, even though there is still an early conversation and mobilization about those. So, while there is room for disagreement and different sorts of analysis, the common misunderstanding of what #Marxism is does not really constistute a serious criticism of #BLM.
Rather, it is a theory about the roots of social problems and the roots of successful social change. Therefore, when it comes to thinking about a #BLM as a movement to address a super complicated problem like police brutality and criminal justice reform, it just so happens that Marx and the legacy of Marx have something important to say, which is why "Marxism" has influenced everything from the Labor movement (Happy Labor Day!), feminism, and of course Civil Rights.
So, how then does Marxism manifest in the contemporary #BLM movement? No doubt there will be different ways of answering this, but I see three ways.
First, #BLM is a mass movement representing a class of people, not the interests of one particular leader or organization. This can be a weakness because it is hard to pin down, but that is also the source of its strength. We have already seen assassinations of #BLM leaders, and by not building a movement around a particular charismatic leader, an assassination or failure of one individual cannot discredit the movement. So, the Marxism in this "leaderful" movement is about keeping the movement democratic and class based.
Second, the "Marxism" of #BLM is about an analysis of a structural problem that is on-going, and cannot be solved by a single piece of legislation or symbolic action. This is different from other political movements that fizzle when "success" is achieved in a court case or new law, but racism in policing and the criminal justice system is a problem that is bigger than just changing attitudes or providing body cameras. The Marxist analysis sees racism as a reflection of broader social issues and perhaps a permanent struggle.
Third, as an ongoing, leaderless movement, the Marxism of #BLM also means that there are larger issues that affect the analysis of policing and criminal justice reform. Here, there is less agreement about what needs to be done, with some quite radical and some quite modest solutions. For instance, it means that things like housing policy, education policy, public health policy, environmental policy, and finance are all intertwined with policing and criminal justice.
Marxist analysis points to broader structural issues like these as critical for #BLM's larger goals, even though there is still an early conversation and mobilization about those. So, while there is room for disagreement and different sorts of analysis, the common misunderstanding of what #Marxism is does not really constistute a serious criticism of #BLM.
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"One of the hardest things for me to accept is the fact that Kevin Graham has blonde hair, blue eyes and an English last name. This ugly truth blows any arguments one might have for actual white supremacism out of the water. He's truly a disgrace." - Ajax
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WATCH — SALEM, OREGON:
White Trump supporter BRUTALLY ASSAULTS 2 PROTESTORS... PUNCHES A COP... Salem Police Department lets him WALK FREE WITHIN AN HOUR...
HAPPENING NOW... PORTLAND suburbs... NYT: “The right-wing crowd crossed the street and began pursuing the left-wing crowd, knocking one guy to the ground, punching him, then spraying him with mace.”
We are looking at a civil war. Smh
https://Twitter.com/lasseburholt/status ... 78337?s=20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4c9mZOQY1I
Police in Salem, Oregon shooting the crap with members of the far-right hate group Proud Boys “arrested” for beating up a BLM protestor. Tell me there aren’t two criminal justice systems - If this were a Black man he might well be dead! https://Twitter.com/Amy_Siskind/status/ ... 49189?s=20
Proud Boys seen in video attacking counter-protester with baseball bat, pepper spray in Salem, Oregon https://Twitter.com/thedailybeast/statu ... 18370?s=20
White Trump supporter BRUTALLY ASSAULTS 2 PROTESTORS... PUNCHES A COP... Salem Police Department lets him WALK FREE WITHIN AN HOUR...
HAPPENING NOW... PORTLAND suburbs... NYT: “The right-wing crowd crossed the street and began pursuing the left-wing crowd, knocking one guy to the ground, punching him, then spraying him with mace.”
We are looking at a civil war. Smh
https://Twitter.com/lasseburholt/status ... 78337?s=20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4c9mZOQY1I
Police in Salem, Oregon shooting the crap with members of the far-right hate group Proud Boys “arrested” for beating up a BLM protestor. Tell me there aren’t two criminal justice systems - If this were a Black man he might well be dead! https://Twitter.com/Amy_Siskind/status/ ... 49189?s=20
Proud Boys seen in video attacking counter-protester with baseball bat, pepper spray in Salem, Oregon https://Twitter.com/thedailybeast/statu ... 18370?s=20
"One of the hardest things for me to accept is the fact that Kevin Graham has blonde hair, blue eyes and an English last name. This ugly truth blows any arguments one might have for actual white supremacism out of the water. He's truly a disgrace." - Ajax
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How many violent white protesters have been arrested in Portland and were immediately released?
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For punching a cop? For crimes caught on camera? Likely none.Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:36 pmHow many violent white protesters have been arrested in Portland and were immediately released?
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There were however those folks who were randomly kidnapped by Trump's secret police. They were released because they had nothing on them. It was just a tyrannical attempt to intimidate people from exercising their constitutional right to protest.
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I see Icarus hasn’t bothered to keep track of the dozens upon dozens of white protesters arrested and immediately released in Portland (and other municipalities). Guess that racism and white privilege pays off for the Leftists, too.
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https://Twitter.com/Amy_Siskind/status/ ... 01408?s=20
Here is clearer video of Proud Boys chasing down scrawny blonde kid half his size. Beats him and says "get out of here fag" and then punches a cop who intervenes.
Here is clearer video of Proud Boys chasing down scrawny blonde kid half his size. Beats him and says "get out of here fag" and then punches a cop who intervenes.
"One of the hardest things for me to accept is the fact that Kevin Graham has blonde hair, blue eyes and an English last name. This ugly truth blows any arguments one might have for actual white supremacism out of the water. He's truly a disgrace." - Ajax
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Not even sure what this is supposed to mean.Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:56 pmI see Icarus hasn’t bothered to keep track of the dozens upon dozens of white protesters arrested and immediately released in Portland (and other municipalities). Guess that racism and white privilege pays off for the Leftists, too.
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Following your logic, you're racist as all get out for posting only about crimes committed by black people and mocking any suggestion that white supremacists have pretended to be ANTIFA or initiated any violence of their own. Virtually everything you say in response is BS like this here. You can't just acknowledge the fact that this crap happens without getting into whataboutism.
"One of the hardest things for me to accept is the fact that Kevin Graham has blonde hair, blue eyes and an English last name. This ugly truth blows any arguments one might have for actual white supremacism out of the water. He's truly a disgrace." - Ajax
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Icarus wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:02 pmhttps://Twitter.com/Amy_Siskind/status/ ... 01408?s=20
Here is clearer video of Proud Boys chasing down scrawny blonde kid half his size. Beats him and says "get out of here fag" and then punches a cop who intervenes.
Apparently that kid was a girl. Ooops.
"One of the hardest things for me to accept is the fact that Kevin Graham has blonde hair, blue eyes and an English last name. This ugly truth blows any arguments one might have for actual white supremacism out of the water. He's truly a disgrace." - Ajax
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