Kyle Rittenhouse -- innocent by self-defense?

[_Gunnar]

Another big problem I have with the Trayvon Martin case is that nothing would have happened to him if Zimmerman had heeded the repeated admonishments by the police urging him to leave Trayvon alone, and not go after him. Other than that he was a black guy walking home alone at night, there was really nothing to arouse suspicion about him to the mind of anyone but a bigot.

[_Analytics]

Following from a distance and NOT brandishing any sort of weapon [gave Martin reason to be scared for his life]?

Hell yes. You haven't ever watched a scary movie? You are walking home in the dark, minding your own business. Somebody starts following you. You don't know why. You get nervous, so you start to walk faster. He starts to walk faster. You start to run. He starts to run. Why in the “F” is he running after you? How is this going to end? What's he going to do when he catches you? He is a white or Hispanic guy in Florida, so he probably does have a gun. Does he want to see where you live so he can attack you there? Given what he was doing, trying to get a tactical advantage by jumping him was total self-defense.

He could've simply continued proceeding to his destination.

20/20 hindsight with only one side of the story sure simplifies things.

The whole incident reminds me of a really stupid thing I did when I was 16. One Friday night some friends and I were out driving my dad's car. My dad had a giant Oldsmobile Delta 88, if you remember those boats. We were in Midvale at about 7200 South, going North on I-15. We were bored and for no reason at all, we decided to follow the car in front of us. We weren't going to confront him. We just wanted to see how he'd react if we followed him for a bit. He pulled over into the right hand lane and slowed down. We pulled over into that lane and slowed down too. Then he gradually sped up. We sped up. He changed lanes, and then we changed lanes. He sped up to 85, and we sped up to 85. By the time we got to the 600 South exit, I could tell he was freaked out. That's reasonable--why was he being followed? We had no honorable reason for following him like that. Sure as hell he wasn't going to lead us to his home. When we got to the 600 South exit he was in the far left-hand lane cruising at 60 mph. Then he made this really sharp, wheel squeaking right turn across all lanes of traffic and barely made the exit without hitting the divider. It was a really dangerous move on his part--he could have had an accident with another car, could have hit the divider between the freeway and the exit, could have spun out, and even could have rolled his car. Fortunately he made the exit without getting in a wreck, and I decided to stop following.

My point is somebody following you at night is threatening. Reasonable people are rightfully scared when that happens. You don't know what they're going to do when they catch you, but it can't be good--there is no honorable reason for him to be stalking you. Whatever you do, you don't want to lead him to your home.

The difference is the phrase "feeling threatened" recognizes that we are dealing with the subjective emotions of the killer, while the phrase "self-defense against death or serious bodily injury" falsely conveys dispassionate objectivity to the killer's point of view.

Okay, thank you. So does this mean that, in your opinion, Martin thought he was in imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury because what appeared to be an unarmed man was following him at a distance?

He had no reason to believe that the guy who was following him was unarmed, and he had every reason to be scared. I don't know what Martin thought because the victims of homicide don't get to tell their side of the story.

One could conceivably make a case that he "looked like" a mass shooter, just like anyone holding a rifle looks like a mass shooter. But he certainly wasn't acting like one as he ran away and, you know, didn't shoot (yet).

Their tactic of chasing him was preventing a mass shooting! They are heroes!

For the sake of argument, let's assume the unarmed protestors were going to kill him with their bare hands. Even then, you can't say the gun did "good" when at best it alleviated the problem that the gun itself caused--they wouldn't have targeted him if he wasn't there with an assault riffle!

They were under no obligation to target him in the first place.

You missed the point. You said that having a gun saved his life. I was pointing out that having a gun in the first place was the only reason his life was in danger. He was under no obligation to go to a protest, brandish a weapon, and pretend he was batman.

[_Jersey Girl]

Watch for new video to come out in the Rittenhouse case.

Mentioned in this video by criminal defense attorney, Scott Reisch. Timestamped when he begins to cover the Rittenhouse case. Explanations inclosed.

Former Louisville Police Officer Charged In Breonna Taylor Case (Analysis), Kyle Rittenhouse Update!

https://youtu.be/IIIWDfUA7Gs?t=1031

[_moksha]

If we could encourage more people to arm themselves with automatic weapons we could have a death toll the likes of which even Donald Trump as not seen before.

[_subgenius]

The trouble I have with the Trayvon Martin case is that we only have Zimmerman's account of how it went down. He was free to craft any narrative that was consistent with the forensic evidence.

Why is the underlying principle in that troubling to you?
and.
Should the burden be Zimmerman's or The State's?

[_subgenius]

Another big problem I have with the Trayvon Martin case is that nothing would have happened to him if Zimmerman had heeded the repeated admonishments by the police urging him to leave Trayvon alone, and not go after him. Other than that he was a black guy walking home alone at night, there was really nothing to arouse suspicion about him to the mind of anyone but a bigot.

And if pigs could fly.
But I am curious how for you "bigotry" exists among only white and brown people.
(but its still just because of the mythical and magical white systemic racism, right?)

[_ajax18]

Systemic racism has become nothing more than an excuse for criminals to to commit crimes and absolve themselves of any personal responsibility or accountability for them.

It's these kind of people I'd like to get out of my country not necessariily just minorities because not all minorities embrace this mindset. But since so many do my position is often mistaken as white separatism.

[_Themis]

Systemic racism has become nothing more than an excuse for criminals to to commit crimes and absolve themselves of any personal responsibility or accountability for them.

It's these kind of people I'd like to get out of my country not necessariily just minorities because not all minorities embrace this mindset. But since so many do my position is often mistaken as white separatism.

It's not mistaken. People just notice you always go after minorities and avoid going after whites. Your lack of seeing past racism as well as racism that still exists in the system as well as a good chunk of racist people shows this racial bias. It also helps when you have literally used the term white separatism to describe yourself. Maybe after a while of defending minorities and showing you can condemn white racism people will start to think you have changed.

Maybe you could point to posts on storm-front where you defend minorities and condemn white supremacists. What was the purpose of storm-front Ajax? Why were you posting there Ajax?

[_Res Ipsa]

Systemic racism has become nothing more than an excuse for criminals to to commit crimes and absolve themselves of any personal responsibility or accountability for them.

It's these kind of people I'd like to get out of my country not necessariily just minorities because not all minorities embrace this mindset. But since so many do my position is often mistaken as white separatism.

It's not mistaken. People just notice you always go after minorities and avoid going after whites. Your lack of seeing past racism as well as racism that still exists in the system as well as a good chunk of racist people shows this racial bias. It also helps when you have literally used the term white separatism to describe yourself. Maybe after a while of defending minorities and showing you can condemn white racism people will start to think you have changed.

Maybe you could point to posts on storm-front where you defend minorities and condemn white supremacists. What was the purpose of storm-front Ajax? Why were you posting there Ajax?

There's your problem. Ajax doesn't know what systemic racism actually is or how it works. He's just glommed onto the cynical excuse not to take it seriously fed to him by Fox, Breitbart, etc.

[_ajax18]

Maybe you could point to posts on storm-front where you defend minorities and condemn white supremacists. What was the purpose of storm-front Ajax? Why were you posting there Ajax?

I'm sure Democrats would call Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, and Candace Owens white supremacists if they were just listening on the radio. There is still people o on this board who think Subgenius is a white supremacist.