The real Breonna Taylor story

[_ajax18]

I think not knocking would have worked out better since knocking allowed Walker 45 seconds to get his gun and fire at the police.

[_Res Ipsa]

I think not knocking would have worked out better since knocking allowed Walker 45 seconds to get his gun and fire at the police.

Wow. Ajax is in favor of the government busting its way into his home with no warning. Let’s see, everyone gets a gun in case they need to kill government agents (like police officers), then we need to let the police use battering rams to bust into people’s houses before they can shoot them. Sounds like a great way to run Ajaxland. Where do I sign up?

[_Icarus]

I think not knocking would have worked out better since knocking allowed Walker 45 seconds to get his gun and fire at the police.

Or they could have simply done their job properly and announced that they were the police. Too much to ask, huh? At least 12 witnesses said they never heard an announcement, one later changed his testimony probably after coercion by a corrupt PD. Like we've not seen that before. Then you have Walker calling 911 while the cops were reloading their guns.

From the recording Walker says hysterically: "I don't know what's happening, somebody kicked in the door and shot my girlfriend." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0EnRabtRhg

Does that sound like someone who heard them identify themselves as cops? Why would someone with no criminal record knowingly fire at the cops and then call 911 on them? But hey, the cops never lie. Especially white cops.

And by the way, the recording of the incident suggests the cop could have been shot by another cop. Walker fired one shot, then the cops unloaded dozens of bullets into the apartment. It was 68 seconds into the firefight that you finally hear one of the cops say, "officer shot." If Walker's first shot hit him in the leg, why did it take so long for them to figure that out?

And all these other "lies" you keep alluding to aren't lies. Some of them were based on the information that was available at the time, and the rest is simply the black attorney refusing to trust the cops when they say one thing and his client says another. The fact that you will always believe white cops over innocent black citizens is beside the point. What we know is that the only side we know to be less than transparent during this ordeal, is the side of law enforcement.

You keep referring to Glover as if he were another boyfriend, but the fact is he said in March that he had nothing to do with Taylor anymore and there is no evidence that her home was ever used to "warehouse" drugs or drug money. This was most likely a guilt by association assumption simply because, well, black people are drug dealing animals, amirite? Hence, the point. These cops are slime balls who cared nothing about black lives.

Neither Taylor nor Walker have a history with drugs. They were innocently minding their own business in the early morning when a few jackass cops dressed in casual attire violated their rights by knocking down their door and gunned her down after her boyfriend legally, and rightfully tried to defend her with a gun. In any other context you 2nd amendment types would be calling this guy a hero for doing precisely what you say the guns are for.

But, "black man bad."

So lets spin it in a way to turn focus on a known felon. Never mind that he was nowhere in the vicinity and the cops did a piss poor job at surveillance. If this were a white woman living in the burbs, they would have done their due diligence before planning this attack.

And since you love comparing similar incidents to prove reverse racism, black Houston cop shot and killed a couple of white suspected drug dealers during a raid, and he was charged with murder. https://abc13.com/gerald-goines-case-re ... s/6201345/

None of the #BlueLivesMatter talk for this case. No "sensitivity" training and no "diversity" classes.

[_Temp. Admin.]

(Dr. Shades here, posting under our "Temp. Admin." account.)

Boy, this thread has been an eye-opener for me. My opinion aligned with Ben Shapiro's at the start, but thanks to this thread I learned that the police were in plain clothes and failed to identify themselves as police. Either one would be an extremely huge "no go," but both? At the same time? Damn.

I understand that they had a no-knock warrant, but what probable cause did they have that convinced the judge to sign off on it? That drugs were being distributed out of there, is that it? (Not that it makes the story any less tragic, I just want to ensure I have my facts straight is all.)

[_Res Ipsa]

(Dr. Shades here, posting under our "Temp. Admin." account.)

Boy, this thread has been an eye-opener for me. My opinion aligned with Ben Shapiro's at the start, but thanks to this thread I learned that the police were in plain clothes and failed to identify themselves as police. Either one would be an extremely huge "no go," but both? At the same time? Damn.

I understand that they had a no-knock warrant, but what probable cause did they have that convinced the judge to sign off on it? That drugs were being distributed out of there, is that it? (Not that it makes the story any less tragic, I just want to ensure I have my facts straight is all.)

The probably cause was that the dealers car was observed near her house on several occasions and that on one occasion he came to her house and picked up a package. The affidavit contained some additional information allegedly from the post office, which the post office denies.

by the way, on the one witness they rely on to say the police "announced:" his story is that he tried to leave a neighbor's just before the raid, and someone pointed a gun at him, ordered him back inside the building, and said "Police." So it may not be that he's changed his story, but that he was asked different questions at different times. Based on what he says now, the answer to the question "did you hear the police announce who they were?" is "no." The truthful answer tot he question "did you ever hear the police identify themselves?" is 'yes."

[_Res Ipsa]

Just to illustrate the biased lens Ajax sees this incident through: one of his original talking points is that the family's lawyer lied about the number of times Breonna was struck by bullets. The lawyer said eight. The police department said five. According to the newly released autopsy report, it was six. Is Ajax going to make a big deal out of the police lying? Or will this talking point disappear down the memory hole?

[_Icarus]

by the way, on the one witness they rely on to say the police "announced:" his story is that he tried to leave a neighbor's just before the raid, and someone pointed a gun at him, ordered him back inside the building, and said "Police." So it may not be that he's changed his story, but that he was asked different questions at different times. Based on what he says now, the answer to the question "did you hear the police announce who they were?" is "no." The truthful answer tot he question "did you ever hear the police identify themselves?" is 'yes."

Wow, that's a total game changer. I wonder if this is something the AG disclosed to the Grand Jury. If not, then this is a huge blow to the integrity of the dept and the system.

[_Res Ipsa]

by the way, on the one witness they rely on to say the police "announced:" his story is that he tried to leave a neighbor's just before the raid, and someone pointed a gun at him, ordered him back inside the building, and said "Police." So it may not be that he's changed his story, but that he was asked different questions at different times. Based on what he says now, the answer to the question "did you hear the police announce who they were?" is "no." The truthful answer tot he question "did you ever hear the police identify themselves?" is 'yes."

Wow, that's a total game changer. I wonder if this is something the AG disclosed to the Grand Jury. If not, then this is a huge blow to the integrity of the dept and the system.

I suspect it's all pretty complicated. I read some of the partial interview transcripts the police released. The guy leading the raid said that the police didn't identify themselves the first few times they knocked. There is evidence that the common practice on knock and announce warrants for drug cases was to announce as they were swinging the battering ram towards the door.

In the interview I read -- the first interview of one of the officers -- the interviewer asked him leading questions, helping him put together his story. That is absolutely not how to interview a witness as part of an investigation.

I'm looking forward to reading the grand jury proceedings.

[_ajax18]

(Dr. Shades here, posting under our "Temp. Admin." account.)

Boy, this thread has been an eye-opener for me. My opinion aligned with Ben Shapiro's at the start, but thanks to this thread I learned that the police were in plain clothes and failed to identify themselves as police. Either one would be an extremely huge "no go," but both? At the same time? Damn.

I understand that they had a no-knock warrant, but what probable cause did they have that convinced the judge to sign off on it? That drugs were being distributed out of there, is that it? (Not that it makes the story any less tragic, I just want to ensure I have my facts straight is all.)

I think you know more about law enforcement protocol on this than I do. This was a tragedy. That still doesn't mean that this happened to Breonna Taylor because she was black or due to racism in the police department. And it still doesn't justify shooting police officers in retaliation at protests. It certainly doesn't justify the race baiting by leftist politicians encouraging these violent protests.

[_Icarus]

I think you know more about law enforcement protocol on this than I do. This was a tragedy. That still doesn't mean that this happened to Breonna Taylor because she was black or due to racism in the police department. And it still doesn't justify shooting police officers in retaliation at protests. It certainly doesn't justify the race baiting by leftist politicians encouraging these violent protests.

No, it only encourages racists like you to use it to further your own racist agenda. You thought you were being all smart because your worthless source came up with an article purporting to show how everyone but them has been "lying" about this incident. In the end, you have egg all over your face as usual. Now you're trying to pretend this was ever about justifying cop killing.