Climate Change

[Alf'Omega]

I am so scared of a crop failure.

Chap. What about the grass failure at a Country Club? How many of those will your kids experience?

Yeah, joke.

I mean who needs food.

[Alf'Omega]

According to the Pew Research Center, Democrats are more than three times as likely as Republicans to say dealing with climate change should be a top priority (78% vs. 21%).

According to New York Times reporters Nadja Popovich And Livia Albeck-ripka, in a study titled “The spatial distribution of Republican and Democratic climate opinions at state and local scales” less than a third of registered Republicans nationwide said that climate change is caused mostly by human activities, and almost half claim it’s a natural phenomenon.

I never will forget 2011 FOX News, particularly Neil Cavuto, was going off on this crazy idea of electric cars. He mocked the concept, "Seriously? Plugging in your car every day like a coffee maker? What a joke."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiUcNGAJMSw

[Alf'Omega]

2008 GOP blocks Senate's global warming bill

2011 VIDEO: Neil Cavuto's Bizarre Hatred For The Chevy Volt

2019 What Would it take for Republicans to Deal with Climate Change?

2021 Republicans in Congress are out of step with the American public on climate

[Chap]

... Reasonable and balanced minded people (no matter what their political ideologies happen to be) all fully understand that climate change is real and that we ought to start seriously trying to find reasonable solutions to this issue (Not completely insane proposals.)

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To help others to understand you better, could you kindly give one or two examples of solutions to the issue of global heating that you would classify as:

(a) reasonable solutions

(b) insane proposals

I am sure you will bear in mind that the cost of avoiding inconvenient changes to the life-styles that you and I currently enjoy is likely to be much more than mere inconvenience to the future generations who will suffer the consequences of inaction on our part today. Their idea of what counts as 'insanity' in dealing with global heating is therefore likely to be radically different from our own.

[Alf'Omega]

Ceeboo your issue isn't whether Climate Change is real, but rather your issue is with the claim that Republicans are in denial about it. While you, a Republican, may not be in denial about it, this doesn't negate the fact that Republicans as a whole generally are, especially the ones who are elected officials. Donald Trump once called it a China hoax. Even when Atlanmticmike doesn't deny it, he's still downplaying it, saying it could be a good thing. Really? Something like 80% of our population lives along the coastlines, and could it be a good thing economically for us to have to move that many people inland because of the rising seas? Maybe we should just relax in your blissfully ignorance and follow deep wisdom of Ben Shapiro who said this doesn't present a problem because people would just sell their property before it gets flooded and move elsewhere!

Atlanticmike demonstrates his ignorance as usual by relaying these Rush Limbaugh talking points about the little ice age and how the media has "hoodwinked" us all into thinking the world is coming to an end. That kind of idiotic commentary is more deserving of your first response, since it is basically beating a straw man. He wants to have it both ways. He doesn't want to claim Climate Change is a hoax because he knows the data overwhelmingly rejects that premise, but he still wants to remain loyal to his Republican cult, so he spins it around and says it is a Progressive thing used to control people or whatever idiotic thing someone on talk radio told him.

Hey, Atlanticmike, are you in a cult?

Alfarus needs you to be in a cult so that Ceeboo will be wrong. I like what Ceeboo said so I really really hope you did not join a cult.

Atlanticmike is regurgitating old talking points in an attempt to dismiss Climate Change, which is precisely the issue CeeBoo suggested wasn't being dismissed by Republicans. It most certainly is, and his idiotic remarks prove it.

[Alf'Omega]

According to the Pew Research Center, Democrats are more than three times as likely as Republicans to say dealing with climate change should be a top priority (78% vs. 21%).

Did someone say something about this topic being political? This is not a conversation about the climate or climate change. This is about feelings again. If you feel like your political party is right, then feel victimized by the other party and find some confirmation of your victimization.

In other news. pewresearch confirmed that most Americans do not wipe their ass with their bare hands, and that most Americans who do not work at the Guardian plan to not wipe their ass with their bare hands in 2030. Fossil fuels and trees will be harvested for everyone except people working at the Guardian.

You're trying to have it both ways. You want to defend both CeeBoo and AM when they're obviously conflicting. Yes, it has become political. But that is only because idiots in the GOP tend to be anti-science and the fossil fuel industry has dumped billions into lobbying congress to turn a blind eye. CeeBoo said it herself, only an unreasonable person would deny this. Yet the GOP is full of such people. That isn't the fault of progressives. The American people overwhelmingly want something done about the problem, whereas the Republican cult members are being constantly reassured by their talk radio morons and the college drop outs on FOX News that Climate Change is some kind of Liberal conspiracy. They mock Green Energy, andy kind of Green Plan proposed by the Left, etc. When their hyper capitalistic Energy Grid in Texas went down while the rest of the country's socialistic energy grids stayed up, they immediately went after Windmills! Cruz attacked Windmills from Cancun.

Research has also shown that global average surface temperatures only cooled by about 0.5 degrees Celsius during the Little Ice Age. For comparison, temperatures have risen 1 degree Celsius over the past century due to human-caused global warming. If the prior period was a little ice age, then the current period is a Big Warming Age.

[Alf'Omega]

Atlanticmike is regurgitating old talking points in an attempt to dismiss Climate Change, which is precisely the issue CeeBoo suggested wasn't being dismissed by Republicans. It most certainly is, and his idiotic remarks prove it.

I see now. I see. I see what you are saying.

Atlanticmike is making the point that your arguments might have some credibility issues. And Ceeboo is saying that the opening post was a sweeping slam on Republicans, which, is really not a credible argument. And you, are mixing those up to say, "see, Ceeboo is wrong about everything and Atlanticmike is in a cult."

I got this.

And I am saying - Ceeboo is right.

I am also saying that this is not about the climate, or change, or climate change. This is just about to what ideology one has declared allegiance, and whether the moderators are part of that same ideology, or something like that.

You're disingenuously reinventing what AM has said, which is nothing about the "credibility" of my arguments because he's addressed nothing of my arguments. He has in fact put forth some very ignorant claims that dismiss climate change as a non-issue because in his world, it is a good thing. You're dancing around his claims because you don't want to step on his toes.

[Chap]

I see now. I see. I see what you are saying.

Atlanticmike is making the point that your arguments might have some credibility issues. ...

You're disingenuously reinventing what AM has said, which is nothing about the "credibility" of my arguments because he's addressed nothing of my arguments. He has in fact put forth some very ignorant claims that dismiss climate change as a non-issue because in his world, it is a good thing. You're dancing around his claims because you don't want to step on his toes.

Here is Atlanticmike "making the point that your arguments might have some credibility issues":

Hey dumb dumb!! Did you read the opening post? ""Are republicans still doing their best to deny climate change?"" This thread was not started so we could have a meaningful debate about climate change. Look! You guys are in a fxxxing cult. You have been TAUGHT by your prophets to see every subject either correct because it's "liberal leaning, or incorrect because it's "conservative". You're brainwashed!! For fxxx sake, you might as well become an Orthodox Mormon again because you're still letting certain people tell you what to believe.

Here's the truth and there's a 100% chance your brain won't let you consider what I'm about to say as truth because you're too far gone, you're beyond help. Ready!! In about 50 years, the human race will come to realize that global warming is a positive, not a negative. Again!! Pollution bad, global warming good! Again! Pollution bad, global warming good!
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Goodness me! People that Atlanticmike disagrees with are 'in a fxxxing cult'.

[Moksha]

The opening post of this thread was obviously not about climate change (even with it's curious title) or climate or change or warming - or CO2 - It was about "Republicans" with an intended and clear message about "Republicans" - Full stop.

This is about whether climate change can now be acknowledged by those who have denied it in the past. I was wondering, given the rather dramatic climate changes, if Republicans are still holding to the message that climate change was not real. There have been posters that have argued strenuously against the idea of climate change in the past. I was just wondering if this might still be the case.

It's not like I was asking anyone to acknowledge that Trump was the Creature from the Black Lagoon when he has been out of office for less than a year. With the climate, you have years worth of data to help you decide.

[Chap]

Just bumping for Ceeboo, since this is a rather prolific thread ...

... Reasonable and balanced minded people (no matter what their political ideologies happen to be) all fully understand that climate change is real and that we ought to start seriously trying to find reasonable solutions to this issue (Not completely insane proposals.)

....

To help others to understand you better, could you kindly give one or two examples of solutions to the issue of global heating that you would classify as:

(a) reasonable solutions

(b) insane proposals

I am sure you will bear in mind that the cost of avoiding inconvenient changes to the life-styles that you and I currently enjoy is likely to be much more than mere inconvenience to the future generations who will suffer the consequences of inaction on our part today. Their idea of what counts as 'insanity' in dealing with global heating is therefore likely to be radically different from our own.