Climate Change

[Moksha]

People that disagree are in a damned cult, exactly. Isn't that what Moksha said?

Might want to sharpen up your reading comprehension/truthful reporting skills.

[Chap]

Duplicate.

[Chap]

Might want to sharpen up your reading comprehension/truthful reporting skills.

Here's the opening post:

Are Republicans still doing their best to deny climate change?

Oh, and on saying one's opponents are in a cult:

Hey dumb dumb!! Did you read the opening post? ""Are republicans still doing their best to deny climate change?"" This thread was not started so we could have a meaningful debate about climate change. Look! You guys are in a fxxxing cult. You have been TAUGHT by your prophets to see every subject either correct because it's "liberal leaning, or incorrect because it's "conservative". You're brainwashed!! For fxxx sake, you might as well become an Orthodox Mormon again because you're still letting certain people tell you what to believe.

Here's the truth and there's a 100% chance your brain won't let you consider what I'm about to say as truth because you're too far gone, you're beyond help. Ready!! In about 50 years, the human race will come to realize that global warming is a positive, not a negative. Again!! Pollution bad, global warming good! Again! Pollution bad, global warming good!
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[Gadianton]

It won't matter if people are hit by climate policy in totally equitable and fair ways, there will still be plenty of opposition for being hit at all.

People don't want to pay 2 cents for something that doesn't affect them. Things will probably be okay for their lifetimes, iffy for their children's lifetimes but maybe still okay, but the grandkids? No matter, since the grandparents will be long dead before the suffering happens, they'll never know about it.

This is a scenario where the policy cost for any given member of society is likely greater than the gain. The most important gains are outside of every living person's lifetime. Zero incentive.

It's hopeless, and so I tend not to dwell on it much. Look at it this way: Vaccination is a direct benefit to virtually everyone, but even then, the patron Saints of the Right are those who stoically die in the hospital surrounded by prayer warriors rather than get a shot.

If people can't accept a pin prick to save their own lives, there's no way in hell they'll accept emission restrictions that affect that old truck they love, where they will never benefit from the discomfort.

[canpakes]

The Earth is getting greener, which will benefit us in the coming years. The population is skyrocketing and a greener earth will be beneficial at helping us feed the world.

Not if slightly elevated temperatures put the brakes on crop yield:

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10 ... 00544/full

Or mess with the interaction between plants and soil biota:

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals ... 59F667A03F

Or if crop range changes cramp US farmers while shifting production and food choices to overseas:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/clim ... crops.html

Is global warming real, yes it is. But, like I said, it's not necessarily a bad thing. Maybe you need to step back and start thinking about why you're so scared of global warming.

Why would taking precautions about warming trends be any different in spirit than having flood or health insurance, wearing seatbelts, or learning firearms safety? Do you commit to those precautions because you’re scared, or smart?

And PROGRESSIVES are using global warming to scare the chit out of people so they can control their thoughts and actions.

Control for what purpose?

[canpakes]

If people can't accept a pin prick to save their own lives, there's no way in hell they'll accept emission restrictions that affect that old truck they love, where they will never benefit from the discomfort.

Wow Gad. You managed to conflate all sorts of stuff and misrepresent the point about maintaining and operating an old truck. I think you know you are doing that. But if you feel better after getting a few jabs in while misconstruing arguments, go for it.

One way out for older vehicles are use of ‘classic’ or antique plates, which allow exemptions from emissions while still allowing some use. You might be just a few years away from that loophole; some states start at 25 years while Utah’s threshold is 30 years.

I’m not sure what’s up with not allowing a 23-year-old diesel to be registered unless the smog equipment on it is bad. I don’t know of any states that have outlawed older diesels yet simply on the basis of age, although there’s talk of that coming down the road for commercial equipment. California, predictably, has been making some noise about this.

One of our daily drivers is turning 22 years old on a few months. It still passes the emissions test as we have maintained it to do so.

[canpakes]

Yes, it is obvious that humans have played - and continue yo play - a large role in climate change (global warming.) I have never implied otherwise. But, that has nothing - absolutely nothing - to do with any of the posts I have made in this thread. It makes me wonder why I have been asked all the questions I have in this thread, but I'm fairly sure that I know why.

The ‘why’, from my own perspective anyway, is just as stated. To gain a better understanding of what you see as the politicized or ridiculous aspects of the conversation (and there are plenty) as well as anything about the topic that you see as a relevant concern deserving of discussion.

We all have biases and opinions; what do you see - if anything - within the topic that merits discussion?

I used to know a couple who’d make the argument that conversations about climate change were silly, because Jesus was going to be coming back soon and didn’t care about whatever humanity was ‘doing to the planet’, as long as we were all kicking out lots of kids and reading scripture often. I couldn’t sign on to that point of view given the undeniable connection of the rock that we live on and the stability and health of humanity, but at least I knew where they stood on the subject.

[ceeboo]

Alf - Ceeboo is a male (No worries, just wanted you to know)

After a fairly quick read of the recent posts, I was a little surprised to see some of the intentional jabs directly at a certain political party comments in this thread titled "climate change." I will list a few of them.

"Blissfully ignorant following the wisdom of Ben Shapiro"
"Rush Limbaugh"
"2011 Fox News report"
"Prayer warriors"
"Vaccination"
"Patron Saints of the right"
"Stoically dying"
"Prayer warriors"
"Reading scripture"
"Jesus is returning soon"

Yeah, weird, I know!

Anyway, I am considering making another thread contribution concerning the the threads title (Climate change) that I would like to add (not sure if I will?) but for now, I really must get off the board to attend to some other things.

[canpakes]

You forgot Cult! Cult, cult, cult. Cult. Culty, cult cult.

Now, don’t be so hard on Atlanticmike. : D

Take your time, Ceeboo. This conversation was never about the climate, change or climate change.

It can be, if folks want it to be. There are plenty of posts in this thread all about climate change. It’s anyone’s choice to engage them, or to hide behind the claim that they aren’t there.
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[canpakes]

After a fairly quick read of the recent posts, I was a little surprised to see some of the intentional jabs directly at a certain political party comments in this thread titled "climate change." I will list a few of them.

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"Reading scripture"
"Jesus is returning soon"
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Yes. These are reasons given by a couple as to why no-one needs to worry about climate change, per the full sentence below -

I used to know a couple who’d make the argument that conversations about climate change were silly, because Jesus was going to be coming back soon and didn’t care about whatever humanity was ‘doing to the planet’, as long as we were all kicking out lots of kids and reading scripture often.

Why do you want to characterize that as an ‘intentional jab directly at a certain political party’, as opposed to being their own stated reasoning independent of any political leanings?
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