Thread for discussing climate change

[canpakes]

Oh lordy!! You're way too emotional. You do realize more people die because of the cold, right? Global warming will save lives. You're so worried about the people working and living in the heat, what about the people living in the freezing cold? Why did you conveniently forget about them?

It’s a more complex situation than that. Cold snaps don’t seem to increase short-term death totals, while heat waves do. And between NOAA and the CDC, there’s disagreement on which currently causes the greater number of US deaths per year.

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Which ... treme-Cold

In the meantime, there’s a movement afoot to mandate air conditioning - provided by landlords for renters - in several areas, as heat waves turn more deadly and over a wider area, especially for disadvantaged, disabled, or older folks.

Jollene Brown, 67, was one of hundreds of people who died from this summer’s deadly heat waves in the Pacific Northwest. In Oregon, most of the 96 confirmed victims “lived alone in homes with no working air conditioning or fans,” according to a state report. (Stark Firs Management, which operates Jollene Brown’s building, didn’t respond to multiple requests for comment.)

An NBC News analysis of Oregon’s data, public records and obituaries found that many of those who died from hyperthermia in June were among the state’s most vulnerable residents: More than half were over age 65, and at least 13 lived in properties for older adults or in affordable housing serving low-income residents, homeless people or those with disabilities.

In both private housing and publicly subsidized properties where residents died, NBC News found landlords who didn’t provide air conditioning, which isn’t legally required. In some instances, landlords prohibited residents from having window air conditioners, concerned that the units would fall.

Extreme heat kills about 600 people in the U.S. every year — more than any other form of weather — and it will only become more common as the planet continues to warm. That makes access to air conditioning a lifesaving necessity, public health experts and advocates say.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/de ... n-n1277213

[Gunnar]

This reminds me of an old Norwegian saying: "There is no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing."

That's my experience - so far as cold weather is concerned.

I not infrequently visit a country that has really cold winters and very hot summers. The former is not a problem - I just wear warm stuff. But since I can't walk around the streets naked and spray water on myself under a sunshade, going outside in the summer is just too unpleasant - especially if you have just come out of an air-conditioned building. So nowadays, I just won't go there in the summer at all. The people who live there don't have that choice.

Yes. This point is so obvious, it should hardly need to be explained to any thoughtful individual. Atlanticmike obviously is prone to avoid thinking through his responses carefully before posting them.

[Gadianton]

Except for global warming melts glaciers, which in turn changes salt concentrations in ocean water, current patterns, which changes CO2 absorption in atmosphere, reducing it, but it goes too far and triggers an ice age.

[Chap]

Except for global warming melts glaciers, which in turn changes salt concentrations in ocean water, current patterns, which changes CO2 absorption in atmosphere, reducing it, but it goes too far and triggers an ice age.

I don't quite understand what you are driving at here- maybe your post needs a bit of editing?

[Manetho]

Above a certain temperature the human body's temperature regulation can no longer cope, and physiological collapse and death will inevitably occur. The higher the humidity (which will make it difficult to cool through sweating), the lower the danger level of temperature is set.

If Atlanticmike were interested in learning anything, he could read about wet-bulb temperatures.

[Gunnar]

If Atlanticmike were interested in learning anything, he could read about wet-bulb temperatures.

I have seen very little evidence that he is interested in learning anything that conflicts with what he already believes. That's why I have him on ignore.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Except for global warming melts glaciers, which in turn changes salt concentrations in ocean water, current patterns, which changes CO2 absorption in atmosphere, reducing it, but it goes too far and triggers an ice age.

I don't quite understand what you are driving at here- maybe your post needs a bit of editing?

I’d like to see where CO2 absorption changes due to a collapse in the ocean currents which causes ‘reducing it’ and that somehow triggers an Ice age. I’m not being adversarial, but I’m a little lost in the causalities.

- Doc

[Jersey Girl]

Above a certain temperature the human body's temperature regulation can no longer cope, and physiological collapse and death will inevitably occur. The higher the humidity (which will make it difficult to cool through sweating), the lower the danger level of temperature is set.

If Atlanticmike were interested in learning anything, he could read about wet-bulb temperatures.

He could read?

Do yourself a favor and don't project your own behavior on to him. You're dealing with a troll, not someone with a desire to learn.

[Gunnar]

Except for global warming melts glaciers, which in turn changes salt concentrations in ocean water, current patterns, which changes CO2 absorption in atmosphere, reducing it, but it goes too far and triggers an ice age.

I'm not sure that you are really getting at what those articles are really trying to tell us. For example, from the Science News you linked to:

However, due to the increased global temperatures resulting from anthropogenic CO2 emissions, the researchers suggest the natural rhythm of ice age cycles may be disrupted as the Southern Ocean will likely become too warm for Antarctic icebergs to travel far enough to trigger the changes in ocean circulation required for an ice age to develop.

If I am understanding that correctly, it seems to be saying the the warming of the Southern Ocean will tend to prevent Antarctic icebergs from traveling far enough to trigger cooling that could start the next ice age cycle, and thus have a mitigating effect on the anthropogenic warming we are discussing. Isn't this actually contrary to what you suggested in this post?

[Gunnar]

If Atlanticmike were interested in learning anything, he could read about wet-bulb temperatures.

He could read?

Do yourself a favor and don't project your own behavior on to him. You're dealing with a troll, not someone with a desire to learn.

After all, didn't he clearly admit to that very thing?