Mormons should be more worried about going to Hell than Atheists

[MG 2.0]

Was marrying other men’s wives wrong?

Apparently not. At least in principle. In practice? That’s between Joseph and God. I’m not going to be the judge, jury, and executioner.

I’ll leave that to your trustworthy and unbiased expertise.

As for me, I don’t know all the facts.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

[Joseph] could have done anything like murdered hundreds of babies in front of you and you would still have an excuse for it.

Umm…I don’t think so.

By the way, just out of curiosity…do you support abortion on demand?

https://www.gop.gov/democrats-push-thei ... birth-act/

I hope not. There is no excuse for it.

Regards,
MG

[Lem]

Was marrying other men’s wives wrong?

Apparently not....

[Moksha]

To recalibrate would mean having to place a bit more trust in both God and Joseph Smith.

That’s not going to happen.

Regards,
MG

That makes sense, tow the party line but do not lose your soul in doing so.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Was marrying other men’s wives wrong?

Apparently not. At least in principle. In practice? That’s between Joseph and God. I’m not going to be the judge, jury, and executioner.

I’ll leave that to your trustworthy and unbiased expertise.

As for me, I don’t know all the facts.

Regards,
MG

There you have it. MG doesn’t think marrying other men’s wives was wrong.

This is who he is. This is his ethos formed within the total system of Mormonism. Think about how MG would act if given the same choice within Mormonism’s system. Think about how Mormon men acted when presented with similar choices, whether it was bigamy, polyandry, child brides, or lying about their behavior. This was all done and is done within the Mormon construct.

This system is totally incompatible with Christianity, with the rule of law, and basic decency. That is Mormonism.

-Doc

[drumdude]

[Joseph] could have done anything like murdered hundreds of babies in front of you and you would still have an excuse for it.

Umm…I don’t think so.

By the way, just out of curiosity…do you support abortion on demand?

https://www.gop.gov/democrats-push-thei ... birth-act/

I hope not. There is no excuse for it.

Regards,
MG

You can't even realize that the only reason you're defending polygamy, polyandry, and child rape is because Joseph Smith did it and Joseph Smith can't be wrong. If Joseph Smith had those women get an abortion you'd be defending it too. And there's very good reason to think he did.

In her 1886 interview with W. Wyl, Sarah Pratt alleged that Joseph Smith engaged Bennett, a medical doctor, to perform abortions on Smith's plural wives who were otherwise unmarried. Bennett biographer, Andrew Smith, agrees that it "was likely true" that Bennett performed abortions.

[MG 2.0]

Umm…I don’t think so.

By the way, just out of curiosity…do you support abortion on demand?

https://www.gop.gov/democrats-push-thei ... birth-act/

I hope not. There is no excuse for it.

Regards,
MG

You can't even realize that the only reason you're defending polygamy, polyandry, and child rape is because Joseph Smith did it and Joseph Smith can't be wrong. If Joseph Smith had those women get an abortion you'd be defending it too. And there's very good reason to think he did.

In her 1886 interview with W. Wyl, Sarah Pratt alleged that Joseph Smith engaged Bennett, a medical doctor, to perform abortions on Smith's plural wives who were otherwise unmarried. Bennett biographer, Andrew Smith, agrees that it "was likely true" that Bennett performed abortions.

Ah, Sarah Pratt. Do you really want to go there?

Lawrence Foster suggested that possibly it was Sarah that made advances to Joseph Smith: “Allegations that Smith asked married women to become his wives may be instances of what might be called the ‘Potiphar’s wife syndrome,’ in which women to whom Smith refused his attentions alleged that he had attempted to seduce them.”

Footnote: W. Lawrence Foster, “Between Two Worlds: The Origins of Shaker Celibacy, Onedia Community Complex Marriage, and Mormon Polygamy. Ph.D., University of Chicago, 1976, 254. This view is supported by two accounts, one from Alexander Neibaur (Alexander Neibaur diary, CHL, May 24, 1844) and a second from Bathsheba Smith, (deposition, Temple Lot transcript, respondent’s testimony [part 3], page 318, questions 564-77).

You may want to spend some time here:

https://mormonpolygamydocuments.org/sar ... le/#_ftn40

We’ve been down the John C. Bennett road before. Go back to the old board and you’ll find some rather lengthy discussions that I took part in.

This one link I’ve posted should give you pause. It’s fairly balanced in my estimation. A bit of reading, but worth the time.

Regards,
MG

[doubtingthomas]

Please don't forget my last question.

Name those you would put into this group. I’m interested in knowing who you’re referring to.

Regards,
MG

According to your team fairlatterdaysaints,"Consummation [with a 14 year old] would not have been inappropriate, since this was a marriage". Do you agree with fairlatterdaysaints?

Is it possible Joseph Smith did have a sexual relationship with Helen Mar and Nancy Winchester? Or Brighan Young with Clarissa Caroline Decker?

[malkie]

Was marrying other men’s wives wrong?

Apparently not. At least in principle. In practice? That’s between Joseph and God. I’m not going to be the judge, jury, and executioner.

I’ll leave that to your trustworthy and unbiased expertise.

As for me, I don’t know all the facts.

Regards,
MG

If you were asked to give your wife to the prophet, an apostle, a Seventy, would you be OK with that?

In principle?

In practice?

What would a man of God say, who felt aright, when Joseph asked him for his money? He would say, "Yes, and I wish I had more to help to build up the kingdom of God." Or if he came and said, "I want your wife?" "O yes," he would say, "here she is, there are plenty more."

http://www.mormonthink.com/joseph-smith-polygamy.htm

by the way, interesting that you say " In practice? That’s between Joseph and God. I’m not going to be the judge, jury, and executioner.". You have no opinion?

[MG 2.0]

Apparently not. At least in principle. In practice? That’s between Joseph and God. I’m not going to be the judge, jury, and executioner.

I’ll leave that to your trustworthy and unbiased expertise.

As for me, I don’t know all the facts.

Regards,
MG

There you have it. MG doesn’t think marrying other men’s wives was wrong.

This is who he is. This is his ethos formed within the total system of Mormonism. Think about how MG would act if given the same choice within Mormonism’s system. Think about how Mormon men acted when presented with similar choices, whether it was bigamy, polyandry, child brides, or lying about their behavior. This was all done and is done within the Mormon construct.

This system is totally incompatible with Christianity, with the rule of law, and basic decency. That is Mormonism.

-Doc

Which of the wives of other men that Joseph married did he have sex with? Documentation please.

Also, just for fun, read the section called “Premortal Life” here:

http://ldsanswers.org/how-could-joseph- ... explained/

Yep, our old friend Hannah Stoddard.

There’s more than one way to view what we like to call ‘reality’. And depending our particular views, we each see the world differently. A premortal world adds an interesting dimension to the topic at hand doesn’t it?

Are you open to the possibility that your worldview is rather limited?

Regards,
MG