Do I need to repeat myself all over again and say if to you again? We are all on equal ground here, we all use the same source. Nobody here is doing original research, for Chrissakes. Nobody. This is just a self-selected silo of confirmation with google searches of confirmation and confirming sources. Nothing here is original.
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...Repeat it all that you want. Your argument still fails.
What does he mean, we all use the same source? Does he mean we all use the same search engine to locate the material we quote?
Firstly, a search engine is not a source. Secondly, so far as I am concerned (and I do not think I am alone on this board in this respect), he is wrong. I often get resources by seeing an interesting article in a scientific weekly, or by using high-quality daily journalism. Such articles may contain a direct reference to a paper published in a peer reviewed journal, and in such cases I find the original article and decide whether to cite that directly or stick with the original article. If anyone thinks that puts me on equal ground with Atlanticmike and his Youtube videos, I beg to differ. My sources of information are superior to his, and sometimes that needs to be said clearly and openly.
What is more, so far as immunology in general is concerned, and so far as the immunology of COVID-19 in particular is concerned, there is an increasing amount of stuff on which there is (and has been for some time) a strong scientific consensus supported by consistent experimental results. You find that out by checking the publications in reputable peer-reviewed journals. Of course anybody who disagrees is welcome to meet me on the same ground and prove me wrong. Cultellus's assertions quoted above simply show a complete failure to comprehend how science creates reliable knowledge.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Mayan Elephant:
Not only have I denounced the Big Lie, I have denounced the Big lie big lie.
I have heard it suggested (perhaps, but not entirely tongue-in-cheek) that the surest way to get right wing conservatives who are still anti-vaxxers to change their minds and get vaccinated is for President Biden to announce that he has changed his mind about vaccination and now strongly condemns the vaccine and vaccine mandates. If this were to happen, we would probably see a sudden, frantic surge of these anti-vaxxers changing their minds and mobbing the hospitals, pharmacies and health clinics demanding to be vaccinated.
Kamala Harris basically did that in the vice presidential debate under the logic that any vaccine created under the Trump administration cannot be trusted. Why would people ever be skeptical about the vaccines? And why is it the blue states where everyone is supposedly vaccinated who will more than likely use fear of COVID as an excuse to not go to work and print more money this winter when their cases go up?
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
I've been free pretty much the whole time Jersey Girl. If you're vaccinated, and believe in the vaccine, then why do you continue to keep yourself locked up? And you are a believer. That alone should allow you to not be so obsessed and frightened of the chance of death that you're never free to live. There will always be another variant. Thankfully if you get COVID after being vaccinated, it won't be much worse than a normal cold or flu. So who cares if it's still possible to get COVID after being vaccinated. We never shut our lives down due to a cold or flu in the past.
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
I've been free pretty much the whole time Jersey Girl. If you're vaccinated, and believe in the vaccine, then why do you continue to keep yourself locked up? And you are a believer. That alone should allow you to not be so obsessed and frightened of the chance of death that you're never free to live. There will always be another variant. Thankfully if you get COVID after being vaccinated, it won't be much worse than a normal cold or flu. So who cares if it's still possible to get COVID after being vaccinated. We never shut our lives down due to a cold or flu in the past.
What in the unholy hell is wrong with you? Do you think I am hiding out in my house? What is it with people here who don't read the posts of others over time and then come in with some damned crap like that?
Do you have any personal dignity or not? Self respect? Pfffft! What's that.
LIGHT HAS A NAME
We only get stronger when we are lifting something that is heavier than what we are used to. ~ KF
I've been free pretty much the whole time Jersey Girl. If you're vaccinated, and believe in the vaccine, then why do you continue to keep yourself locked up? And you are a believer. That alone should allow you to not be so obsessed and frightened of the chance of death that you're never free to live. There will always be another variant. Thankfully if you get COVID after being vaccinated, it won't be much worse than a normal cold or flu. So who cares if it's still possible to get COVID after being vaccinated. We never shut our lives down due to a cold or flu in the past.
What in the unholy hell is wrong with you? Do you think I am hiding out in my house? What is it with people here who don't read the posts of others over time and then come in with some damned crap like that?
Do you have any personal dignity or not? Self respect? Pfffft! What's that.
Xanax doesn’t read. He’ll skim a direct response or skim a thread for some keywords, but he doesn’t read. Remember all those links he claimed supported his positions that ended up doing the opposite? Subgenius was the same. AM is the same. Ldstanks was the same. Most Conservatives don’t read beyond a couple of sentences.
What in the unholy hell is wrong with you? Do you think I am hiding out in my house? What is it with people here who don't read the posts of others over time and then come in with some damned crap like that?
Do you have any personal dignity or not? Self respect? Pfffft! What's that.
Xanax doesn’t read. He’ll skim a direct response or skim a thread for some keywords, but he doesn’t read. Remember all those links he claimed supported his positions that ended up doing the opposite? Subgenius was the same. AM is the same. Ldstanks was the same. Most Conservatives don’t read beyond a couple of sentences.
- Doc
It's kind of like the folks in church who sit there, listen to the preacher and nod their heads (or nod off), drop a dime in the collection plate, and never once open their Bible.
LIGHT HAS A NAME
We only get stronger when we are lifting something that is heavier than what we are used to. ~ KF
Maybe you're right, but there seems to be a substantial number of Americans who resist doing something when told they must do it, no matter who is the authority figure who tells them they must do it. I get the impression that conservative Republicans are particularly prone to this tendency, sometimes even when the authority figure is a fellow Republican, for whom they voted. I think some of them would similarly rebel if they were ordered not to do something. Maybe being ordered by an authority figure to not get vaccinated would not "move the needle" very far for most of them, but I think it likely that the needle would move at least a little bit farther for some of them if our Democrat President were that authority figure. (I realize, of course, that this is useless speculation, because Biden is very unlikely to do any such thing).
It is possible but I think I'm much more in agreeance with Chap's take. That being that the issue is that doing nothing is very easy and our brains often think that is the "safest" course of action. Getting vaccinated is something that requires a decision, a commitment. People require good reasons in order to take on that perceived risk and unfortunately not everyone has seen those reasons yet.
It can be difficult for us on the outside to understand their hesitancy but if we're to help people get over it we'll have to just be better. Keep trying to have those candid conversations where we engage on a level that speaks to them.
Thanks for that reply, Xenophon. I have to admit that Chap and you are probably right about this. Certainly it is easier to do nothing than to do something -- even something with which one agrees. Never underestimate the power of good old fashioned inertia!
No precept or claim is more suspect or more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
