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Alf'Omega
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Atlanticmike wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:51 am
I carry a gun in my pocket all the time, what's wrong with that? It was a perfect example for concealed carry.
Yeah, you would. Because like most emasculated Republican men, you're terrified of your own shadow and you think having a gun makes you safer and tougher.

You're such an ignoramus, you haven't even tried to delve into the data which proves all your idiotic assumptions about the benefits of gun ownership are myth or just exaggerated by the NRA lobby. For every example of someone preventing a home invasion with a gun, there are three examples of unarmed burglars using the homeowner's weapons against them. Your assumption is that just because someone was prevented from stealing a flat screen TV, that "lives were saved." Home invasions are rarely ever intended to do harm to the residents. This is why they mostly happen late at night while everyone is asleep.

I'm 50 years old and I've never once needed a gun. Yet you walk around with one daily. We both live on the same planet presumably. Come to think of it, virtually all of my Republicans friends and family members have never been in a situation when they needed a gun either, though they'll exaggerate examples where they assumed they did. Like road rage incidents, pulling out a pistol to scare off the other person. These scenarios of murdering thieves kicking down your door to kidnap your children and rape your wife is mostly Hollywood fiction.
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Alf'Omega wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:25 pm
Your assumption is that just because someone was prevented from stealing a flat screen TV, that "lives were saved." Home invasions are rarely ever intended to do harm to the residents. This is why they mostly happen late at night while everyone is asleep.
The video Atlanticmike linked to doesn't show a home invasion. The attacker had no other intent than killing the guy who just got home. It looks likely to be a hit of some kind. The guy "defending" realized the other guys looked suspicious and was waiting for him, and slipped his gun out of his pocket. They had a gun battle on his porch moments after his wife and kids just walked into the house.

That video was not an example in favor of the 2nd amendment. It was two people who live by the sword so to speak.
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honorentheos wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:02 pm
Alf'Omega wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:25 pm
Your assumption is that just because someone was prevented from stealing a flat screen TV, that "lives were saved." Home invasions are rarely ever intended to do harm to the residents. This is why they mostly happen late at night while everyone is asleep.
The video Atlanticmike linked to doesn't show a home invasion. The attacker had no other intent than killing the guy who just got home. It looks likely to be a hit of some kind. The guy "defending" realized the other guys looked suspicious and was waiting for him, and slipped his gun out of his pocket. They had a gun battle on his porch moments after his wife and kids just walked into the house.

That video was not an example in favor of the 2nd amendment. It was two people who live by the sword so to speak.
I have to say that it looks very much like that. The guy who got shot was fairly clearly planning on shooting the other guy, who was however ready for the attack and got him first. People who want to get into a house and steal don't start by shooting at someone outside the house - for a start, the noise of a shot is likely to attract attention to what is going on, and that is the last thing they want.

This guy who got shot was obviously planning a hit, very likely on a competitor in his bit of the crime market. After conducting said hit, he would have high-tailed it out as soon as possible. But he got hit first. That is not a 'peaceful householder defends his wife and children' situation.
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honorentheos wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:02 pm
Alf'Omega wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:25 pm
Your assumption is that just because someone was prevented from stealing a flat screen TV, that "lives were saved." Home invasions are rarely ever intended to do harm to the residents. This is why they mostly happen late at night while everyone is asleep.
The video Atlanticmike linked to doesn't show a home invasion. The attacker had no other intent than killing the guy who just got home. It looks likely to be a hit of some kind. The guy "defending" realized the other guys looked suspicious and was waiting for him, and slipped his gun out of his pocket. They had a gun battle on his porch moments after his wife and kids just walked into the house.

That video was not an example in favor of the 2nd amendment. It was two people who live by the sword so to speak.
I wouldn't know because I don't click on his links. At least not after the first time when he lied about what the link showed.
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> carrying your gun in your pocket

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Chap wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:52 pm
honorentheos wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:02 pm

The video Atlanticmike linked to doesn't show a home invasion. The attacker had no other intent than killing the guy who just got home. It looks likely to be a hit of some kind. The guy "defending" realized the other guys looked suspicious and was waiting for him, and slipped his gun out of his pocket. They had a gun battle on his porch moments after his wife and kids just walked into the house.

That video was not an example in favor of the 2nd amendment. It was two people who live by the sword so to speak.
I have to say that it looks very much like that. The guy who got shot was fairly clearly planning on shooting the other guy, who was however ready for the attack and got him first. People who want to get into a house and steal don't start by shooting at someone outside the house - for a start, the noise of a shot is likely to attract attention to what is going on, and that is the last thing they want.

This guy who got shot was obviously planning a hit, very likely on a competitor in his bit of the crime market. After conducting said hit, he would have high-tailed it out as soon as possible. But he got hit first. That is not a 'peaceful householder defends his wife and children' situation.
I think it's worth recognizing that it is very much a reflection of the Second Amendment activist worldview, though. Imagining having a gun battle in his front yard feeds the motivations and arguments made. It's not a political or rational subject available for debate. You're trying to steal an addicts dopamine hit and self-deception.

No sane, civilized person imagines having a gun battle on their front porch as their family barely goes through the door. The world where that actually occurs is one where lawlessness is rampant. The mind that fantasizing about living in that world is immature. Sane people fantasize about civilized ways to get their adrenaline rush if that is what they need.

It's why the gun debate in the US is intractable. We can't have it as a conversation between adults.
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honorentheos wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 1:02 pm
Alf'Omega wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:25 pm
Your assumption is that just because someone was prevented from stealing a flat screen TV, that "lives were saved." Home invasions are rarely ever intended to do harm to the residents. This is why they mostly happen late at night while everyone is asleep.
The video Atlanticmike linked to doesn't show a home invasion. The attacker had no other intent than killing the guy who just got home. It looks likely to be a hit of some kind. The guy "defending" realized the other guys looked suspicious and was waiting for him, and slipped his gun out of his pocket. They had a gun battle on his porch moments after his wife and kids just walked into the house.

That video was not an example in favor of the 2nd amendment. It was two people who live by the sword so to speak.
It is a perfect example of why concealed carry is important. You and Icarus, ooops, I mean Alf Omega can keep saying this kind of thing never happens, but you're 100% wrong and deep down you know it. If you don't want to carry a gun, fine by me. But I'll carry one till the day I die. And the fact that you, Icarus and doc semen don't know they make holsters for pocket carry says a lot.pocket carry is safe. You guys are definitely beta males, without a doubt. You probably carry mace😂.
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Atlanticmike wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:11 pm
It is a perfect example of why concealed carry is important. You and Icarus, ooops, I mean Alf Omega can keep saying this kind of thing never happens, but you're 100% wrong and deep down you know it. If you don't want to carry a gun, fine by me. But I'll carry one till the day I die. And the fact that you, Icarus and doc semen don't know they make holsters for pocket carry says a lot.pocket carry is safe. You guys are definitely beta males, without a doubt. You probably carry mace😂.
If it actually happens to any real degree like you're deluded mind believes, then why did you have to lie about what the video actually showed?
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I watched a section of the video and caught the front pocket recommendation, but didn't they also say the gun needs to be ready to fire at all times?

That's just an accident waiting to happen. It's a situation that can't possibly scale: large numbers of Americans with a gun in pocket locked and loaded ready to use with a couple seconds lead time. It's good infotainment and advertising for the cause, but totally impractical, and very few even right-wingers are going to follow it.

My right-wing friend "carries". Although, he quit doing so on the walk. Why? Well, he crossed paths with some suspicious characters a couple times who'd been hanging out at night. Isn't that the best time to carry? technically yes. But he reflected deeply on it. He's hot headed, he'd nearly "pulled" on the guys one night, and he just admitted he was worried he was going to shoot someone. Isn't that the point? Yes, if they really are a danger, but how exactly would he know? There are so main fail scenarios.
We can't take farmers and take all their people and send them back because they don't have maybe what they're supposed to have. They get rid of some of the people who have been there for 25 years and they work great and then you throw them out and they're replaced by criminals.
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Alf'Omega wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:29 pm
Atlanticmike wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:11 pm
It is a perfect example of why concealed carry is important. You and Icarus, ooops, I mean Alf Omega can keep saying this kind of thing never happens, but you're 100% wrong and deep down you know it. If you don't want to carry a gun, fine by me. But I'll carry one till the day I die. And the fact that you, Icarus and doc semen don't know they make holsters for pocket carry says a lot.pocket carry is safe. You guys are definitely beta males, without a doubt. You probably carry mace😂.
If it actually happens to any real degree like you're deluded mind believes, then why did you have to lie about what the video actually showed?
How am I lying? My post about this video yesterday says "a man protecting his family". Is he not protecting his family?
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